[Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Wed Aug 1 18:46:58 BST 2012

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Apollinaris Schoell <aschoell at gmail.com>wrote:
> Obviously you haven't used it enough otherwise you would know better.
> It had so many bugs over time the list of broken relations is endless.
> Read the archives and you will see.
> It has been improved over the years but still far from comparable to
> editing nodes and ways. I have used many types of CAD tools and trained
> people using them. If you or I am able to use JOSM doesn't mean others can.

So fix the other editors.  Potlatch is notoriously painful when it comes to
relations, and it really shouldn't be.  Relations really are the way to go
on this because the advantages outweigh the drawbacks by a lot.  Validation
tools and editors really need to catch up to this.  The ref= on way model
works great in Europe where you only have one route per way and assume only
"road" routes, but breaks when you start considering other networks
(bicycle, etc), and just gets totally unmanageable in North America (where
you might have a half dozen road routes, one or two bike routes and a
public transport route or two for good measure sharing the same way).

This is a stupid argument to have at this point.  Get over it.
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