[Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

Jonathan bigfatfrog67 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 1 19:22:16 UTC 2013

Yes, I was vague in my comments.  What I meant was that most, 
fun/weather/scenic/city cams are open to all comers and therefore 
providing uncontrolled surveillance where at least police or council 
cameras are strictly regulated and their feed is largely private (except 
if used in court).

My assertion is that a camera that captures a scene is performing 
surveillance on an area and should be tagged accordingly.  Add extra 
tags to describe it further but don't remove the surveillance tag.  Call 
me paranoid but in 5 or 10 years time when we have all cameras commonly 
tagged then you'll be grateful there is just one way of spotting them on 
a map.


p.s. Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out 
to get you!  ;-)


On 01/12/2013 02:07, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> On 11/30/2013 11:22 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> I don't care if it's publicly available or not.  Even if it is for 
>> the personal and private use of some person somewhere (makes it even 
>> more creepy).  Surveillance is surveillance, doesn't matter why, 
>> where it goes and who has it.
>> It should be tagged accordingly.
>> Jonathan
>> http://bigfatfrog67.me
>> On 30/11/2013 14:39, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>>> Internet-connected cameras aren't necessarily publicly-viewable. 
>>> Access to the camera may require a password, or the video stream may 
>>> be sent, encrypted, to some other point.
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> I agree with your statement that a camera is doing surveillance, 
> whether privately or available to the public.  I disagree with your 
> statement that "no matter what the intention of a webcam it is pushing 
> to the internet and therefore there is no control on who sees it and 
> what they use it for", since, as you just agreed, video being pushed 
> to the Internet isn't necessarily publicly available. Including the 
> definition that a camera that is connected to the Internet necessarily 
> is available to all comers would mean that most security cameras 
> connected to the Internet would not be classed as surveillance cameras.
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