[Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

fly lowflight66 at googlemail.com
Wed Jul 3 13:06:47 UTC 2013

Am 03.07.2013 05:14, schrieb Serge Wroclawski:
>   On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM, fly <lowflight66 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I have no problem in reverting my changes but please give me one reason
>> why you can not live with diet:gluten_free=*. I do not want to revert my
>> changeset now only to have a bot redo it in a week.
> I don't know how long you've been with the project, or in what form,
> but something that always concerns me is this question of the role of
> the tagging list, and wiki. Is the wiki descriptive or proscriptive-
> that is does the wiki reflect the mapping that's done, or some idea of
> what should be done?

Both, but in proper name space.

> My experience with mapping has been that after talking on the tagging
> list, and being voted down, when I just went ahead and used my tags,
> they were adopted by the community, on more than one occassion.
> And eventually, when enough people used them in practice, the wiki
> reflects the usage of the tags, because by that time, editors already
> used them, despite the issue of voting.
> If someone chooses a different tagging scheme than you, or a different
> one than what's been "voted on"[1], they're free to do so. Time bears
> out those differences.

You should not just use a different name for the same thing cause you do
not like the first name and not even talk about it.

We use categories the whole time in OSM.
1. many keys are categories
2. prefixes like wheelchair

Think this structure has some advantages.

> You asked what I don't like about the diet tags, and my feeling about
> them is that they're complex. I don't see the value in using
> "diet:gluten_free" where "gluten_free" works just fine. And I'll
> continue to tag objects that way. And others will tag items the way
> they like, and eventually, one of those ways will have a clear
> majority in the OSM database, and then it will be obvious which one is
> accepted by the community. If people love diet:gluten_free, then I'll
> switch.
> But we're not there yet.

I do not wonna argue about this change and gonna revert it unless you do
not ask for it anymore. It is a kind of automatically edit.

Anyway, most of the time the support of keys in editors will decide
weather a key is used by majority and taginfo does not make any
differences between automatically edits/imports and "normal user".
We do not have any checks against these automatically edits. How often
does it happen and how many talk about it ?


> [1] And it's important to realize that the votes on the wiki are a
> subset of the list, and the list is a subset of the OSM community. The
> real votes happen when people choose to use one set of tags vs
> another. In other words, I will follow taginfo before I will follow
> the wiki.

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