[Tagging] Wilderness huts

Yves yvecai at gmail.com
Tue Apr 1 04:52:28 UTC 2014

There is this site refuges.info that could be used to help defining useful tags at least for France.

On 1 avril 2014 04:20:08 UTC+02:00, fly <lowflight66 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 01.04.2014 03:01, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>> So, an alpine_hut is, at least in Europe, an operated place sort of
>> a guest_house? I don't think we have anything comparable in the U.S.
>How about this one:
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/419229498 ?
>> Wikipedia shows several huts of the type I mean here:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness_hut .Their definition says
>> are free — that is not the case in Alaska but is mostly true
>> in the U.S. AFAIK
>We have access=* and fee=* to state this information.
>> Fly mentioned shelter_type just now — another type of wilderness
>> accommodation is a basic shelter called a lean-to, a rough three
>> roofed shelter, open to the elements on one side. There is generally
>> fire pit in front although these days the custom of having open fires
>> designated wilderness areas is greatly discouraged, even illegal, in
>> many of them.
>In Europe, even at official fire pits, it always depends on the weather
>conditions if it might be illegal to have an open fire outdoors.
>> I think a link to shelter:type would be a good addition to the Map
>> Features; Tourism page for further choices when tagging wilderness
>> shelters. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type. Note
>> this page throws more confusion into the discussion because on it
>> define a basic_hut that is, by my definition at least, the same thing
>> we're talking about here. What a mess!
>Well it is never to late for a clean up once we find the proper
>definitions, descriptions and names.
>Thought shelter_type=basic_hut offers less infrastructure and is tinier
>than wilderness_hut but we could also merge them. You even find some
>wilderness_huts under shelter_type=* already [1].
>The value was added without a proposal and was not part of the original
>proposal. All together, I would drop it in favour of wilderness hut to
>have only open and always accessible buildings under shelter.
>> @Jonathan - thanks for the link to bothy. Some of those would fit my
>> definition of wilderness_hut although not the one in Windsor Castle
>> Also, I'm curious, there is certainly no wilderness in the U.K
>> comparable in size or remoteness to those we have in Alaska but is
>> any area known as wilderness there?
>Even though I have been only as tourist in GB, I know there are some
>lonely and rough spots there where you will be happy to find a nice
>shelter if weather changes rapidly or after some kind of problem
>My 2ct
>[1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=shelter_type#values
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