[Tagging] Landuse=forestRY?

[Warin]

Edit ... what I meant to say ... and some additions...

On 27/12/2015 3:13 PM, Warin wrote:
> On 27/12/2015 12:19 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>> I think you are overreaching a bit on this. For one thing, not all 
>> forests are for wood production - rubber tree plantations for example 
>> are for extracting sap from trees.
>
> Had not thought of that.
> Some trees produce nuts, others fruit .. they would be 
> landuse=orchard. With landcover=trees.
{add ..}  and some trees are used to produce oil e.g. sandalwood, tea 
tree and eucalyptus oils. {/add}
>>
>> Natural=wood seems perfectly correct to me for stands of trees in a 
>> more or less "natural" state whereas landcover=trees implies, at 
>> least to me, an area with planted trees that are not being used for 
>> sap, or lumber, etc., but more for their decorative or shading effect.
>
> Err.. I think your confusing landUSE with landCOVER.
>
> To me landcover=trees simply means there are trees there. It does not 
> say what they are used for.
>
> So suitable tags for an area used for lumber would be
> landuse=forestry
> landcover=trees
>
> An area of trees for decoration, recreation
> landcover=trees
> landuse=recreation ?
>
> How are rubber trees tagged now? I would tag
> landcover=trees
> landuse=orchard ... ? Don't know. Possibly landuse=forestry with the 
> definition of 

{edit} forestry  set to  'an area for the production of products from 
trees (e.g. wood), excluding production of fruit/nuts (see orchard)'?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dorchard

There will need to be examples of the products.
And it should also document the ancillary things e.g. sawmills, drying 
and storage sheds for possible inclusion.

{/edit}
>>
>> What's your motivation do do this?
> area
> Attempt to make clear what tags to use for a 'forest' ...
{edit}

Document landuse=forestry such that it cannot be used for anything other 
than forestry. (I hope! :-) )

Long term remove the present use of landuse=forest.

I have come across the problems while adding some National Parks, State 
Forests and Conservation Areas that all had the tag landuse=forest on them.
I have changed that, but would like to see a reduction in the 
possibility of future inappropriate tagging. {/edit}

>
> For example 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dforest#Forest_vs_Wood 
> suggest the density of the plants is the distinguishing thing between 
> natural=wood and landuse=forest.
>
> The implication of landuse=foresty is fairly clear?
> And I hope be translated without too much blurring of the intention?
>
>
>>
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>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM, ajt1047 at gmail.com <ajt1047 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:ajt1047 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 27/12/2015 00:43, Warin wrote:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>         The present multiple applications landuse=forest has me
>>         thinking that a new tag of
>>
>>         landuse=forestry
>>
>>         maybe best to focus this new tag onto a specific forest use -
>>         that of wood production.
>>
>>
>>     For info, I have used that (once!):
>>
>>     http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370079612
>>
>>         Rendering
>>         The rendering of landuse=forestry should incorporate a brown
>>         axe onto the original forest rendering to show that it is for
>>         wood production.
>>
>>
>>     I've not tried rendering it though.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Andy
>>
>>
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