[Tagging] Landuse=forestRY?

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Dec 28 05:44:25 UTC 2015

On 28/12/2015 10:11 AM, tomoya muramoto wrote:
> Hi all,
> I understand your proposal. But I think "landuse=forestry" should be 
> consistent with "landuse=farmland/farmyard".
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard
> Then "tree area" would be "landuse=forest-land", and "forester's 
> house" would be "landuse=forest-yard". (Of course more appropriate 
> words should be chosen.)

Landuse=orchard does not have this 'problem'? And landuse=vineyard would 
be very confusing!!!!
And the recent discussion on swimming pools and their change rooms etc 
has a suggestion that all the things can exist under one tag.
If people want to tag those .. well they will be buildings for the saw 
mill and drying shed .. so they can be separately tagged if desired.
If really needed then landuse=forestry_yard could be used?

> However I think we should clarify how to distinguish 
> landuse/landcover(/surface) first as these proposals.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover

Those proposals/ideas have been in existence for years.

Simple definitions of;
Land USE is what humans use the land for.
Land COVER is what you see covering the surface of the globe.
I think that is fairly clear?

The problems arise from the values of these keys and the way in which 
people use them.

I am trying to get a good value that reduces the confusion and mixed use 
of landuse=forest tag to something better?

Rudolf suggests that landuse=forest be transferred to landcover - thus 
again demonstrating a problem with landuse=forest!

The common understanding of the word 'forest' is .. an area of trees. 
This is not an active 'use'.
The common understanding of the word 'forestry' is .. an activity that 
uses trees to make products. This is a 'use'.

Landcover ... is a separate topic that would take much discussion ... 
you can see it from my initial addition to Rudolf page -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rudolf/draft_landcover ...

> muramoto

Thanks... interesting views on the farmland and farmyard thing that I 
was not aware of.
> 2015-12-28 6:31 GMT+09:00 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com 
> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>:
>     On 28/12/2015 3:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>         On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:43:00 +1100
>         Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>             Hi,
>             The present multiple applications landuse=forest has me
>             thinking that
>             a new tag of
>             landuse=forestry
>             maybe best to focus this new tag onto a specific forest
>             use - that of
>             wood production.
>             In the longer term the tag landuse=forest can eventually be
>             depreciated .. people can migrate the older tagged things into
>             Use;
>             landuse=forestry  for wood producing areas
>             leisure=nature_reserve for areas of nature preservation
>             natural=wood for areas covered with trees not used
>         Note that landuse=forestry would include areas not covered by
>         trees and
>         used for forestry. Starting from forester's house
>         ( https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/le%C5%9Bnicz%C3%B3wka#pl ).
>     Yes!
>     land use = forestry.  To do with growing trees and making stuff
>     from them.
>     Thus the saw mill, drying and storage sheds. A residence ... not
>     certain of.
>     Are residences of factory workers included in a landuse=factory?
>     To indicate that trees are there ... i.e. land cover ...
>     landcover=trees.
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