[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

John F. Eldredge john at jfeldredge.com
Tue Feb 24 13:54:59 UTC 2015

Perhaps there should also be a way to tag unofficial campsites where there 
is evidence someone has camped in the past, but the action is now risky?  
For example, the site is downhill from a slope where the ground is starting 
to split open, meaning that there is a high risk of a landslide in the near 

John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot 
drive out hate; only love can do that." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

On February 24, 2015 4:46:52 AM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> > 2015-02-24 5:23 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>:
> >
> >> they're just there because enough people have camped in the same spot.
> >
> >
> >
> > +0,9
> > actually people (if not completely ignorant) tend to camp in spots that
> > are suitable to do so. Those will not be the only possibility, naturally,
> > but they will typically provide good conditions (view, even terrain, enough
> > space, protected from wind and weather, sunny / shady, accessible, ...), so
> > even if those spots are not designated for camping but only put into
> > existence by usage, knowing their location might still be useful.
> >
> Especially since low-impact campers will usually try to pick a spot that
> has already been impacted in an effort to reduce increasing a manmade
> impact footprint (assuming we're not talking Tre Arrow
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre_Arrow> types), knowing where these are in
> advance can be handy.  Such a spot can be found at the hook end of NFD 4420
> in the MHNF near http://osm.org/go/WILBqCsE--?m= (which, coincidentally,
> someone should check to see who is deleting vast shitloads of tracks in
> that forest, since I know there was far, far, far more NFD routes in there
> than appear on OSM now, and I know NFD 44 is littered with all kinds of
> four-digit branches, largely ungated and open.  I suspect some vandalism or
> a potentially accidental deletion may have been in play.
> BTW, I based on local knowledge, I recommend* not* attempting to ground
> survey this until June or July as Dufur Valley Road (NFD 44) is not plowed
> by the Forest Service at all, full length.  The Boy Scouts of America do
> plow from Heimrich Street in Dufur, Oregon to NFD 4460 (Camp Baldwin's
> driveway) for the livability of their camp ranger, who is there
> year-round.  The ~11 mile segment west of 4460 to OR 35 is impassable until
> the thaw, often well into June assuming the BSA doesn't plow open the west
> end to avoid a  lengthy detour for summer camp troops around on I 84 to
> loop back to Dufur and come up from the other side in years with a long
> winter.  (Can you tell I've spent way too long on 44?)
> > We could be using the "informal" modifier for places like this, which I
> > use on paths as well.
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:informal
> >
> > Just "informal=yes" together with tourism=camp_site doesn't sound right
> > though, I'd probably use something different as main tag to stronger
> > distinguish these features, e.g. leisure=camp_spot or tourism=camp_spot to
> > make clear it is a smaller place. When there is a recognizable and
> > reasonably secure spot to light a fire you could add additional feature
> > like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dfirepit
> >
> I think a freestanding campsite using the established tag (but not within a
> campground or caravan site) should suffice.
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