[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com
Sun Mar 22 11:19:04 UTC 2015


If I would have to choose between the options I would go for full_service,
but I leave this to the native speakers. If I get the same service and pay
the same for a state run campground as for a privately run one it can be
called commercial.

Is it a problem if tourism=camp_site wouldn't get the attribute
camp_site=commercial in this case? It is the default and most common one
anyhow.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was trying to do as Richard suggested, that is, trim the other replies
> off the message. Screwed that up.
>
> It's not the definition I object to, it's the use of the term commercial.
> Regardless of the quacking like a duck comparison, the national, state, and
> forest service campgrounds are simply not commercial by American standards.
> That's why I was trying to redefine designated to make it possible to
> include our state and national park camp_sites in that category, or any
> category. I can practically guarantee that nobody in the United States will
> tag a camp_site inside of a national park as commercial. If I'm left with
> the definitions the way they are now, I'll simply tag them as
> tourism=camp_site and be done with it. Other amenities can be added to
> nodes or buildings as appropriate.
>
> Let's come up with a better term for the full-featured ("flash") sites
> we're talking about. This recent modification is good but still needs work,
> IMO
>
>
>    1. Commercial campgrounds: large sites for tents, caravans and RV's,
>    offering toilets, showers, internet, laundry and dish washing facilities, a
>    shop, a swimming pool, waste stations, internet, etc. They are often
>    crowded, usually have defined pitches and someone is in charge. Commercial
>    campgrounds are found in countries with a camping holiday culture like
>    North America, Western Europe, South Africa and Australia. They can be run
>    by private parties, but also by public bodies on a commercial basis like
>    the campgrounds in South African National Parks;
>
>
> How about full_service, full_featured, comprehensive? I don't like any of
> these and only offer them as food for thought. But I cannot get on board
> with commercial.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, David Bannon <dbannon at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Dave S, think you missed the list....
>>
>> On Sun, 2015-03-22 at 09:19 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>> > Okay then, Your idea is to define the campgrounds inside of national
>> > and state parks as commercial ones?
>>
>> Well, its more a case of are you paying to camp there ?  And are you
>> being provided with extensive services or not ?
>>
>> Here in Aus, camp grounds in national parks are generally more basic,
>> they are cheap, minimal facilities. But some, at specific places, are
>> more like commercial ones. So, I'd call the flash ones commercial, even
>> though they are operated by Parks.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have no problem with that other than I usually don't consider
>> > government run operations of any type, including campgrounds, as
>> > "commercial".
>>
>> If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, I reckon its a duck !
>>
>> > Commercial implies a business run for profit, not a governmental
>> > administered operation. All I'm looking for is a category into which
>> > the majority of the campgrounds in the United States will fit. If you
>> > want to lump them together then the definition of commercial needs to
>> > change.
>>
>> Yes, maybe its a case that the name is wrong. Not sure of a better name.
>> When you think about it, the camp ground it self (in those flash
>> National Parks) are in fact run for profit, the profit goes back to help
>> running the park, but its still run on a fee for service basis.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
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