[Tagging] Fuel shops

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 01:22:41 UTC 2015

Also, Bryce makes this point, a valid point I must add:

These stands are also far more volatile than a proper fuel station.  And
once they cease business
very hard to un-map.

That's true but it's also true of many other objects. Mapping the world is
a dynamic endeavor because things change: roads are built, railroads are
converted into bike paths, construction=yes becomes building=yes.

Here in Thailand, many small fuel shops now feature vending machines to
dispense gasoline and are often open 24/7. I believe the shops we're
talking about here will eventually be replaced by these. I'm tagging those
as amenity=fuel with other tags to fine tune the situation. See the Wiki
under amenity=vending_machine
There is a bigger photo of this new fueling point here

At these places you could fill up your SUV tank and hence they are tagged
appropriately. I add:

description:en=A vending machine accepting cash in notes and/or coin that
dispenses automotive fuel 24/7. Most are poorly marked and offer no other
source=GPS, geolocated photo

In the 5 years I've been motorcycling around Thailand I'm seeing more and
more of these. But the other type, the shops we're working with now, will
likely be around for many years. They should be mapped in some meaningful,
and useful, way.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>

> I agree completely with what John said in the previous reply.
> Repeat: a fuel shop is not a car_parts shop. The "etc." was probably added
> there as a catch all to include tools specific to cars or whatever but it
> definitely, certainly does not include petrol.
> Dave
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:37 AM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Friedrich Volkmann <bsd at volki.at> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 23.03.2015 15:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> >>> 2 liters of fuel are as much car_parts as a bakery is bicycle_parts.
>> >>
>> >>    The definition says: "A place selling auto parts, auto accessories,
>> motor
>> >>    oil, car chemicals, etc."
>> >>
>> >>    That fits perfectly.
>> >>
>> >> can you expand? Someone sitting roadside selling just a few liters of
>> >> petrol, how does he comply with this definition? Petrol is not in the
>> list,
>> >> it is neither auto parts nor auto accessories nor motor oil nor car
>> >> chemicals. Are you after the "etc."?
>> >
>> > Petrol is similar to motor oil, both are fluids made from mineral oil.
>> > Diesel is identical with light fuel oil. So this is clearly the same
>> group
>> > of products, especially when sold in equally small quantities. What
>> else is
>> > the "etc." supposed to mean?
>> >
>> Just because they are both made from oil, and sold in similar quantities
>> does not make the amenity or shop similar.
>> This is about people's expectations.
>> A toilet and a drinking fountain both involve fixtures that use water,
>> yet tagged separately. Same with water point, tap, bidet, and other water
>> based amenities - because people's *expectations* of what is present would
>> be broken if I tagged a drinking fountain as a tap or toilet.
>> That's the point of this is discussion.
>> If I saw a car parts icon listed in Africa, and I need to get parts for
>> vehicle ( even a single can of motor oil) - and I went to one of these
>> shops, and there was an old lady selling gasoline for scooters in whiskey
>> bottles out of a window in their house, I'd think the tagger had lost their
>> mind and delete the shop. Similarly - if the tagger tagged this as a gas
>> station, I'd think they are joking.
>> I don't tag granny's roadside vegetable stand as a market nor
>> distribution warehouse - but that is the same thing you are suggesting -
>> but in some places it might be a permanent and expected way for some people
>> to get vegetables - so how do I tag it? Do I pollute market when it is a
>> table with 10 green onions and a few eggplants? They are a farmer, so is it
>> food distribution?  Neither works, so a new solution should be found (for
>> this example).
>> Go look at my kerosene tagging example, and tell me what tag you would
>> put on a gas station that doesn't actually sell gasoline or any fuel for
>> cars. Should you like to further dilute petrol station tagging and include
>> those too?
>> If I see a gas pump icon, and thanks to the renders and data users, I
>> would see a gas pump icon in both cases, it would make me very pissed to
>> show up there with a car expecting 50L of gasoline.
>> That's what we're trying to avoid.
>> Javbw

Dave Swarthout
Homer, Alaska
Chiang Mai, Thailand
Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
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