[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

David Bannon dbannon at internode.on.net
Wed Mar 25 23:17:55 UTC 2015

Sorry Jan, cannot find the proposal page quickly. But I think we may be
arguing about the meaning of "designated" ?

If a commercial operation 'allows' its park or courtyard to be used this
way, then I'd suggest they are, to some degree 'designating' it. Just by
not moving people on.

In the same way extensive use a tag in OSM makes it 'official'.

Under my category scheme, we don't use the word designated at all. We
describe just what is apparently there. Perhaps an extra tag needs be
developed to indicate its less formal basis but I am not sure of even
that. Please look at the words again -

>              David's model (camp_site=* ) -
>         Basic = nothing other than an area to pitch a tent or park
          a vehicle.
>         Standard = Basic + toilets and water
>         Serviced = Standard + shower + power
>         Fully_Serviced = Serviced + camp kitchen + Laundry
>         Deluxe = Fully_Serviced + swimming pool/restaurant


On Wed, 2015-03-25 at 22:53 +0000, Jan van Bekkum wrote:
> In Africa they are non-designated. We have had situations in Ethiopia
> and Tanzania that the campsite was invented on the spot. The picture
> in the proposal gives a feeling what I am talking about. The site is
> the parking or the courtyard, no designated space. On the other hand
> lists are circulating amongst overlanders with hotels offering this
> service. Availability and quality can change quickly, therefore I
> don't want to mix with regular campsites.
> If a hotel has a permanent campground with amenities next to the hotel
> building the run like a standard campsite it is not in the
> non-designated category.
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 23:03 David Bannon <dbannon at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>         On Wed, 2015-03-25 at 20:42 +0000, Jan van Bekkum wrote:
>         >
>         > I really do want to keep non-designated as currently
>         proposed. It was
>         > my main reason to start with the proposal. I understand it
>         is not
>         > important in western countries, but it is vital in Africa
>         and the
>         > Middle East. It is a site with the opportunistic blessing
>         and amenity
>         > use of a hotel/ hostel, etc.
>         I agree Jan, these things exist in Australia too. But I have
>         to ask, are
>         they really "non-designated" ?  I have used ones that sound
>         pretty much
>         what you describe. I'd think of them as having been
>         "designated" by the
>         land owner. Or at least loco parentis owner.
>         In my category model, we are not describing anything about
>         owner or
>         business arrangements, we leave that to other tags. We
>         describe only
>         what is apparently there.  So, if its got toilets and water
>         available
>         via the adjoining business, its 'standard'. If not, 'basic'.
>         David
>         >
>         >
>         > Why do we need to keep trekking? Isn't it a special case of
>         > unimproved? Summarized my preference is
>         Yes, I suspect 'trekking' is the odd one out here and might be
>         better
>         dealt with in a subsequent proposal.
>         >       * Designated
>         >       * Unimproved (although I like the word Basic better)
>         >       * Non-designated
>         >       * Wild_camp_site: separate namespace tag for
>         unimproved without
>         >         blessing
>         >
>         I am uncomfortable with words like "designated", "unimproved"
>         - they
>         indicate we know far too much of the history and legal status
>         of the
>         site. Lets just stick to what we can see there now.
>         David
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