[Tagging] Postindustrial Castle
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Fri Oct 16 10:12:22 UTC 2015
On 16/10/2015 7:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2015-10-16 10:02 GMT+02:00 John Willis <johnw at mac.com
> <mailto:johnw at mac.com>>:
> It just feels weird to tag a more modern structure never used as a
> castle as a castle.
> You are right - the duck test tells me it is an imposing historic
> building. And yea, it looks a bit like a castle and is named
> "castle" - like the disney castle - but it's style is to mimic a
> castle - it was never meant to really be one. It is a rich
> person's house.
> You are reading "castle" as a defensive structure, aren't structures
> like these castles as well:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Versailles (ok, that's a
> palace in English, but a château in French and a Schloss in German)
> and according to the historic=castle page in the wiki, these should be
> tagged with castle_type=palace (or manor or stately when smaller / for
> lesser nobles)
The OSM wiki page historic=castle has not been 'approved'. I regard it
as wrong ... in particular with regard to Palaces, Manors .. those are
Palace is mentioned in the original proposal page for building...
The dividing line between a castle and a building ..
like the difference between a memorial and a monument .. all relative.
A structure that has an outer defensive wall with an inner building that
also has defensive capabilities is a castle.
A building without defensive capabilities is not a castle.
To me Schloss Ludwigslust
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schloss_Ludwigslust>, Germany is not a
castle. It is a building.
> And btw., you have not yet answered the question regarding the
> Neuschwanstein case. I could name a similar example (besides the other
> Ludwig II castles in Bavaria), much smaller, here:
Appears to be a castle.
> Or also this one, residence of the emperor of Germany (prussian
> enclave), but not actually a defensive structure (but "fake
> defensive"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern_Castle
Appears to be a castle. OSM maps 'what is on the ground.. so castle?
> Do you agree these are castles? This is the wiki list about castles:
> These 19th century castles are all (or mostly) considered castles by
> the Germans (actually they are either "Burg", or "Schloss",
> Lichtenstein and Hohenzollern both are "Burg", the same word as for
> the medieval defensive castles), but they are clearly very different
> from medieval castles and never have worked as defensive structures
> (neither have they been intended to be such). Here's a very small
> example of an actual medieval castle:
Yep all castles. Ruins.. but were castles.
> I brought this significance thing up, because that seems to be the
> distinctive criterion for the three castle types "palace", "manor" and
To me, "palace", "manor" and "stately" are buildings.. not castles.
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