[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

[GerdP]

Hi Hans,

Yes, I think I need help, not only from you:
I've commented many of the changesets which introduced
new highway=* tags on ways which are rarely used.

I learned that many of them were typos, often
highway=* should be historic=* or railway=* or
waterway=*. I think I can manage to cleanup those.

If we decide to change those with tags values like pre_proposed, paper,
design,not_yet_bla_bla to a note describing the reason why the 
way doesn't yet deserve a highway=proposed tag
it would be great if the mappers would do that.

I think the best way to do that without being to rude is to
change the highway tag to a note AND add a specific comment
to the corresponding changeset which introduced the tag, something
like "please review way 1234567, I've changed the rarely used tag
highway=xyz to a note. See also <link to this discussion>. 

I did that a few times now without any complains from the mappers,
so I hope that's okay.

Gerd

Hans De Kryger wrote
> Let me know if you need any help.
> 
> *Regards,*
> 
> *Hans*
> 
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerd Petermann <

> GPetermann_muenchen@

>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>>
>> that was my thought as well. I assume I have to check all the suspicious
>> entries that
>>
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#values
>>
>>
>> shows. The data is a bit out-aged now (2015-10-14 23:58 UTC)
>>
>> as I am constantly cleaning up but I think 842 different highway=* tags
>>
>> are far too many, both for consumers and for newbies.
>>
>>
>> Gerd
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <

> hans.dekryger13@

> >
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 08:13
>> *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>>
>> Thanks for the examples, i definitely disagree with both examples. Makes
>> no sense to have those at all to me. In my opinion they need to be
>> reverted/deleted.
>>
>> *Regards,*
>>
>> *Hans*
>>
>> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
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>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>> 

> GPetermann_muenchen@

>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oops, forgot to set the list on cc
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *Von:* Gerd Petermann
>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21
>>> *An:* Hans De Kryger
>>> *Betreff:* AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>>>
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185
>>>
>>> which is just the first best from 130 "highway=unbuilt" ways,
>>>
>>> Its history shows that it was imported in 2007.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a few m south is another one:
>>>
>>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291
>>>
>>> which doesn't have a long history but seems to be
>>>
>>> exactly like it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <

> hans.dekryger13@

> >
>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 01:09
>>> *An:* OpenStreetMap
>>> *Cc:* Gerd Petermann
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any examples?
>>> On Oct 15, 2015 12:27 PM, "Mateusz Konieczny" <

> matkoniecz@

> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:35:08 +0000
>>>> Gerd Petermann <

> gpetermann_muenchen@

> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi all,
>>>> >
>>>> > forgive me if this was discussed before:
>>>> > There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist.
>>>> > I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed / highway=planned
>>>> > as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also understand that
>>>> > we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=razed (which seem to
>>>> > mean the same) but why do we have ways with
>>>> > highway=x-residential , highway=unbuilt ,  highway=neverbuilt, and
>>>> > several more with similar meaning ?
>>>> > They all seem to describe ways which where once added as normal
>>>> > highway=* to the database and later someone found out that there is
>>>> > no highway, but did not dare to remove the way.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is that meant to document something important?
>>>> >
>>>> > Gerd
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Purpose of such objects is to ensure that armchair mappers will not
>>>> remap it again. Object with note=* seem better than highway=neverbuilt.
>>>>
>>>> In case of low risk of remapping by armachair mappers such ways may be
>>>> safely deleted.
>>>>
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