[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

GerdP gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com
Sun Oct 25 08:55:58 UTC 2015


Hi Hans,

I think that is part of the problem, you always have to decide if the 
way is of any use for others, else we could just use a mass edit.
Each case needs review and thinking, that's why I am asking for help ;-)
As long as you contact the original mapper I see no problem.

Gerd
 

Hans De Kryger wrote
> Hey Gerd,
> 
> Thanks for reaching out to me, i have to say I'm a little confused. The
> ways you mentioned were a mistake and were suppose to be tagged
> (historic,railway etc) i get. But like the example shown here (1) there
> seems to be no plausible reason for it? It seems to me that any examples
> which are similar to this need to be deleted. The original mapper can
> always be contacted beforehand.
> 
> (1)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=5987185#map=19/32.97970/-117.05502
> 
> *Regards,*
> 
> *Hans*
> 
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
> 
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM, GerdP <

> gpetermann_muenchen@

> >
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> Yes, I think I need help, not only from you:
>> I've commented many of the changesets which introduced
>> new highway=* tags on ways which are rarely used.
>>
>> I learned that many of them were typos, often
>> highway=* should be historic=* or railway=* or
>> waterway=*. I think I can manage to cleanup those.
>>
>> If we decide to change those with tags values like pre_proposed, paper,
>> design,not_yet_bla_bla to a note describing the reason why the
>> way doesn't yet deserve a highway=proposed tag
>> it would be great if the mappers would do that.
>>
>> I think the best way to do that without being to rude is to
>> change the highway tag to a note AND add a specific comment
>> to the corresponding changeset which introduced the tag, something
>> like "please review way 1234567, I've changed the rarely used tag
>> highway=xyz to a note. See also 
> <link to this discussion>
> .
>>
>> I did that a few times now without any complains from the mappers,
>> so I hope that's okay.
>>
>> Gerd
>>
>> Hans De Kryger wrote
>> > Let me know if you need any help.
>> >
>> > *Regards,*
>> >
>> > *Hans*
>> >
>> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>>
>> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Hans,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> that was my thought as well. I assume I have to check all the
>> suspicious
>> >> entries that
>> >>
>> >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#values
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> shows. The data is a bit out-aged now (2015-10-14 23:58 UTC)
>> >>
>> >> as I am constantly cleaning up but I think 842 different highway=*
>> tags
>> >>
>> >> are far too many, both for consumers and for newbies.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gerd
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>>
>> > hans.dekryger13@
>>
>> > >
>> >> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 08:13
>> >> *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
>> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
>> exist?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the examples, i definitely disagree with both examples.
>> Makes
>> >> no sense to have those at all to me. In my opinion they need to be
>> >> reverted/deleted.
>> >>
>> >> *Regards,*
>> >>
>> >> *Hans*
>> >>
>> >> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
>> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
>> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> OpenStreetMap
>> |
>> >> TheDutchMan13 OpenStreetMap is the free wiki world map. ... "Changing
>> the
>> >> world one edit at a time" In love with OpenStreetMap! I mostly map
>> within
>> >> the borders of Arizona. Weitere Informationen...
>> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> *
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann <
>> >>
>>
>> > GPetermann_muenchen@
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Oops, forgot to set the list on cc
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>> *Von:* Gerd Petermann
>> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21
>> >>> *An:* Hans De Kryger
>> >>> *Betreff:* AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Example:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185
>> >>>
>> >>> which is just the first best from 130 "highway=unbuilt" ways,
>> >>>
>> >>> Its history shows that it was imported in 2007.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Just a few m south is another one:
>> >>>
>> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291>
>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291
>> >>>
>> >>> which doesn't have a long history but seems to be
>> >>>
>> >>> exactly like it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Gerd
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
>>
>> > hans.dekryger13@
>>
>> > >
>> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 01:09
>> >>> *An:* OpenStreetMap
>> >>> *Cc:* Gerd Petermann
>> >>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you have any examples?
>> >>> On Oct 15, 2015 12:27 PM, "Mateusz Konieczny" <
>>
>> > matkoniecz@
>>
>> > >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:35:08 +0000
>> >>>> Gerd Petermann <
>>
>> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>>
>> > > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Hi all,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > forgive me if this was discussed before:
>> >>>> > There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist.
>> >>>> > I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed /
>> highway=planned
>> >>>> > as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also understand
>> that
>> >>>> > we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=razed (which seem
>> to
>> >>>> > mean the same) but why do we have ways with
>> >>>> > highway=x-residential , highway=unbuilt ,  highway=neverbuilt, and
>> >>>> > several more with similar meaning ?
>> >>>> > They all seem to describe ways which where once added as normal
>> >>>> > highway=* to the database and later someone found out that there
>> is
>> >>>> > no highway, but did not dare to remove the way.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Is that meant to document something important?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Gerd
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Purpose of such objects is to ensure that armchair mappers will not
>> >>>> remap it again. Object with note=* seem better than
>> highway=neverbuilt.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In case of low risk of remapping by armachair mappers such ways may
>> be
>> >>>> safely deleted.
>> >>>>
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