[Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?

Sun Oct 25 09:02:34 UTC 2015

Thanks for getting back to me, if you have a list of them shoot it my way.
I'll start working on them.

*Regards,*

*Hans*

*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:55 AM, GerdP <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> I think that is part of the problem, you always have to decide if the
> way is of any use for others, else we could just use a mass edit.
> Each case needs review and thinking, that's why I am asking for help ;-)
> As long as you contact the original mapper I see no problem.
>
> Gerd
>
>
> Hans De Kryger wrote
> > Hey Gerd,
> >
> > Thanks for reaching out to me, i have to say I'm a little confused. The
> > ways you mentioned were a mistake and were suppose to be tagged
> > (historic,railway etc) i get. But like the example shown here (1) there
> > seems to be no plausible reason for it? It seems to me that any examples
> > which are similar to this need to be deleted. The original mapper can
> > always be contacted beforehand.
> >
> > (1)
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?way=5987185#map=19/32.97970/-117.05502
> >
> > *Regards,*
> >
> > *Hans*
> >
> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM, GerdP <
>
> > gpetermann_muenchen@
>
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Hans,
> >>
> >> Yes, I think I need help, not only from you:
> >> I've commented many of the changesets which introduced
> >> new highway=* tags on ways which are rarely used.
> >>
> >> I learned that many of them were typos, often
> >> highway=* should be historic=* or railway=* or
> >> waterway=*. I think I can manage to cleanup those.
> >>
> >> If we decide to change those with tags values like pre_proposed, paper,
> >> design,not_yet_bla_bla to a note describing the reason why the
> >> way doesn't yet deserve a highway=proposed tag
> >> it would be great if the mappers would do that.
> >>
> >> I think the best way to do that without being to rude is to
> >> change the highway tag to a note AND add a specific comment
> >> to the corresponding changeset which introduced the tag, something
> >> like "please review way 1234567, I've changed the rarely used tag
> >> highway=xyz to a note. See also
> > <link to this discussion>
> > .
> >>
> >> I did that a few times now without any complains from the mappers,
> >> so I hope that's okay.
> >>
> >> Gerd
> >>
> >> Hans De Kryger wrote
> >> > Let me know if you need any help.
> >> >
> >> > *Regards,*
> >> >
> >> > *Hans*
> >> >
> >> > *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> >> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>*
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerd Petermann <
> >>
> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
> >>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Hans,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> that was my thought as well. I assume I have to check all the
> >> suspicious
> >> >> entries that
> >> >>
> >> >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#values
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> shows. The data is a bit out-aged now (2015-10-14 23:58 UTC)
> >> >>
> >> >> as I am constantly cleaning up but I think 842 different highway=*
> >> tags
> >> >>
> >> >> are far too many, both for consumers and for newbies.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Gerd
> >> >>
> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
> >>
> >> > hans.dekryger13@
> >>
> >> > >
> >> >> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 08:13
> >> >> *An:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> >> >> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] WG: how to tag a "highway" that doesn't
> >> exist?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the examples, i definitely disagree with both examples.
> >> Makes
> >> >> no sense to have those at all to me. In my opinion they need to be
> >> >> reverted/deleted.
> >> >>
> >> >> *Regards,*
> >> >>
> >> >> *Hans*
> >> >>
> >> >> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13>
> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> OpenStreetMap
> >> |
> >> >> TheDutchMan13 OpenStreetMap is the free wiki world map. ... "Changing
> >> the
> >> >> world one edit at a time" In love with OpenStreetMap! I mostly map
> >> within
> >> >> the borders of Arizona. Weitere Informationen...
> >> >> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13> *
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Gerd Petermann <
> >> >>
> >>
> >> > GPetermann_muenchen@
> >>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Oops, forgot to set the list on cc
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------------------------------
> >> >>> *Von:* Gerd Petermann
> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 07:21
> >> >>> *An:* Hans De Kryger
> >> >>> *Betreff:* AW: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Example:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5987185
> >> >>>
> >> >>> which is just the first best from 130 "highway=unbuilt" ways,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Its history shows that it was imported in 2007.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just a few m south is another one:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291>
> >> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199739291
> >> >>>
> >> >>> which doesn't have a long history but seems to be
> >> >>>
> >> >>> exactly like it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gerd
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------------------------------
> >> >>> *Von:* Hans De Kryger <
> >>
> >> > hans.dekryger13@
> >>
> >> > >
> >> >>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 16. Oktober 2015 01:09
> >> >>> *An:* OpenStreetMap
> >> >>> *Cc:* Gerd Petermann
> >> >>> *Betreff:* Re: [Tagging] how to tag a "highway" that doesn't exist?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Do you have any examples?
> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2015 12:27 PM, "Mateusz Konieczny" <
> >>
> >> > matkoniecz@
> >>
> >> > >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:35:08 +0000
> >> >>>> Gerd Petermann <
> >>
> >> > gpetermann_muenchen@
> >>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > Hi all,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > forgive me if this was discussed before:
> >> >>>> > There seems to be a need to map highways which do not exist.
> >> >>>> > I understand the idea that we map highway=proposed /
> >> highway=planned
> >> >>>> > as this might be used to visualize a plan, I can also understand
> >> that
> >> >>>> > we have tags like highway=dismantled and highway=razed (which
> seem
> >> to
> >> >>>> > mean the same) but why do we have ways with
> >> >>>> > highway=x-residential , highway=unbuilt ,  highway=neverbuilt,
> and
> >> >>>> > several more with similar meaning ?
> >> >>>> > They all seem to describe ways which where once added as normal
> >> >>>> > highway=* to the database and later someone found out that there
> >> is
> >> >>>> > no highway, but did not dare to remove the way.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Is that meant to document something important?
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Gerd
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Purpose of such objects is to ensure that armchair mappers will not
> >> >>>> remap it again. Object with note=* seem better than
> >> highway=neverbuilt.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In case of low risk of remapping by armachair mappers such ways may
> >> be
> >> >>>> safely deleted.
> >> >>>>
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