[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - learner driver

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Tue Jun 28 12:59:18 UTC 2016

It's not a question of common sense, it's a question of law... Countries and states may differ, but they will all have a default plus a way of indicating any exceptions. In OSM we tend to omit values that are default; however there is always a way to make the default explicit if one requires.
This is not the place to discuss the merits of various traffic laws.

On 28 June 2016 14:23:13 CEST, Greg Troxel <gdt at ir.bbn.com> wrote:
>Michael Tsang <miklcct at gmail.com> writes:
>> I agree on the point that mode:learner_driver=* is better, but,
>however, isn't 
>> it common sense that learners are not allowed on motorways? Can you
>give me 
>> some regions where learners are, by default, allowed on motorways?
>I don't think it's common sense.  The point is to get experience
>driving with someone who knows in the other seat giving you advice.
>People need to get used to being on motorways/interstates also.
>Plus, IMHO driving on motorways (Interstates) is less scary than on
>other roads, both rural undivided highways and in cities.  I find this
>to be the case when driving in the US and also in the UK.  (I'm not
>saying that a UK rule that learners are not allowed on motorways is
>unreasonable, just that it doesn't follow from first principles and
>isn't obvious from having driven there.)
>An example of a region is where drivers with a learner's permit are
>allowed on Interstates is Massachusetts:
>  http://www.massrmv.com/LicenseandID/ClassDPermitandLicense.aspx
>  Limitations with a Class D Permit
>If you are under 18 years of age, you may not drive between the hours
>12:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. unless accompanied by a parent/guardian who is
> duly licensed in his or her home state and has one (1) year of driving
>  experience. The parent/guardian must occupy the seat next to you. You
>  may not operate a vehicle outside Massachusetts if that state's laws
>  prevent you from legally doing so.
>I suspect most other states are similar.    Another high-regulation
>state is New York, and they don't ban motorways:
> https://dmv.ny.gov/learner-permit-restrictions
>but they do ban for learners specific scary parkways (trunk, not
>motorway, due to narrow, twisty, and not really having slip roads --
>which is why they are scary) and specific bridges.  There is no
>prohibition on learner drivers on Interstates.  But there are extra
>rules for learners in NYC, including daytime only and dual brake
>Basically, I thinnk the issue is that in the US, Interstates are viewed
>as normal, rather than special, and in the UK motorways are viewed as
>more special.
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