[Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Thu Mar 3 07:35:03 UTC 2016


Thanks for your reply. While I may agree with you on some of this my
question has more to do with understanding the tagging scheme that's in
place and how it came to be there rather than trying to change it to
something different. For example, I agree "sells" would be a better tag
than "sale" but sale is already present in the JOSM preset.

Unifying the tagging of motorcycle shops with those for cars, bicycles,
etc. is certainly a worthwhile goal but it's beyond what I want to take on
at the moment.

I'm afraid the old saying about "too many cooks spoiling the broth" applies
in this case (and many others I'm sure).

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/03/2016 12:23 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> I recently discovered a preset in JOSM that should help in my work,
> shop=motorcycle (See:Presets/Transport/Motorcycle/Motorcycle Dealer in JOSM
> rel 9900). It is very detailed and would seem to cover every possible
> aspect of such shops from clothing and accessories to service. But it uses
> some tags and values that I've never seen and for which I could find no
> documentation.
> In addition to the established tag brand which defines the name of the
> vehicle's manufacturer, (brand=Yamaha, brand=Honda), brand as a value
> appears as an offering for several other tags. Here is a section of the Wiki
> page for shop=motorcycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle>
> The following is a proposal to put this service variety into tags:
>    - *sale=yes/brand/used/no/...* - sells whole motorcycles
>    - *rental=yes/brand/no/...* - motorcycle rental
>    - *repair=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...* - repairs / maintains motorcycles
>    - *safety_inspection=yes/no* - inspection
>    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection> of safety/emission
>    regulation conformance
>    - *parts=yes/brand/oldtimer/no/...* - sells motorcycle parts
>    - *clothes=yes/brand/no/...* - sells motorcycle clothes / equipment
>    - *scooters=yes/no/only* - to distinguish scooter shops, very useful
>    in Asia
>    - *services=...* - other services this shop offers
> Note the tag "sale" which can take values of yes, no, or brand. I reckon
> it means what it says but "sale" seems a poor choice for a tag.  (Note too
> that the Preset does not offer "used" in the choices as the Wiki implies.)
> If the wording in the Wiki is followed then this tag means the shop sells
> "whole motorcycles" (as opposed to pieces of motorcycles) of a certain
> brand. Fine, but the brand tag in the main section of the preset already
> specifies that, doesn't it? Is it logical to expect a shop selling new
> Hondas to also sell pieces of Yamaha motorcycles?
> One could reasonably assume that "brand" in those other cases means
> clothing of a certain brand, parts of a certain brand, etc., but what is
> the value "oldtimer" supposed to indicate?
> Thanks for your help and comments.
> Most shops sell more than one brand of an item.
> And 'sale' is usually taken to be a special event where prices are lower.
> secondhand is already in the wiki
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:second_hand ... status= approved
> .. so you would assume it has been discussed here and voted on. Around June
> 2012.
> safety_inspection= ... see wiki amenity= vehicle_inspection
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvehicle_inspection
> oldtimer refers to older things.. usually no longer sold 'new' but either
> 'restored', 'used' etc. Example; vintage and veteran cars.
> Presently bicycle shops have a dedicated tagging scheme... are all shops
> to have there own individual and incompatible scheme? Or can we have ONE
> common scheme? Please?
> I would prefer
> sells:motorcycle:yamaha:honda=yes
> sells:motorcycle:parts:honda=yes
> sells:motorcycle:tyres:yes  !NOTE UK ENGLISH!
> sells:scooters:hysong:yes
> sells:motorcycle_clothing=yes
> Repair, maintain and service .. can all mean the same thing!!!! These can
> be a separate area..  a 'workshop' with a separate entry and separate
> reception.
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Dave Swarthout
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