[Tagging] service:car for car shops and repair

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Tue Nov 1 02:17:26 UTC 2016

On 01-Nov-16 12:14 PM, wille wrote:
> Martin,
> I saw the reference to service=dealer;repair;tyres;parts in 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar_repair#Tags_used_in_combination
> Dave, I fully agree with your opinion.
> Wille
> 2016-10-31 22:36 GMT-02:00 Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com 
> <mailto:daveswarthout at gmail.com>>:
>     Regardless of whether the service tag is "overused for highways",
>     whatever that means, it is still a tag with a clear meaning and
>     some historical usage. There currently are about 10K uses of
>     service:bicycle:xx in Taginfo (xx=:repairs, :retail, and :pump) so
>     it makes sense to expand this scheme.
>     The tag "sells" is in very limited use at the moment.
There is also the unfortunate use of the 'sale' tag .. over 1,000 uses ..
>     We had a discussion concerning "sells" on this list a while ago
>     IIRC and it was dealing with supermarkets and what they sell,
>     e.g., sells=eggs, sells=toiletries, etc. Someone was proposing
>     that OSM could include the entire inventory of such shops, which
>     is IMO clearly beyond the scope of our present database usage.

I think started it. I was not interested in supermarkets. I was 
interested in detail what a particular shop sold, in particular smaller 
shops. For instance a motorcycle shop is usually a particular brand, say 
Harley Davidson, someone getting something for their Yamaha would be 
best not using OSM to find it. Then you get to multiple brand shops, and 
one specialising within those brands and so on. Others raised 
supermarkets ... not me. I simply wanted a scheme applicable;e to all 
shops.. so that separate schemes would not spring up different for each 
shop type.
There will never be a way of stopping someone entering stuff into OSM 
that another will consider 'beyond the scope'.
>     As for the question posed by Martin regarding a shop=car with a
>     tag of service=parts, "What does it mean if a shop=car has
>     service=parts attached? Is it selling car parts?" Yes, it means
>     that a car shop selling cars _also_ sells car parts. The Wiki says
>     that if a shop sells only parts, to use the shop=car_parts tag.
>     I don't think this present discussion needs to apply to _all_
>     shops, as Warin suggests, but only to the particular top level
>     tags of shop=car, shop_bicycle, and shop=motorcycle for which some
>     sort of expanded tagging scheme regarding the services they offer
>     would be very welcome.
>     I'm not against the "sells" tag but I can't find anything about it
>     in the Wiki and the most used tag in Taginfo is sells:tobacco with
>     16 instances. All the rest have only one instance. So, how should
>     we proceed?

Nothing in the wiki about sale either .

I don't see why a scheme cannot be done that would be suitable for all 
kinds of shops.
Not that I personally would apply it to all kinds .. but it should be 
applicable to the vast majority, and given OSM usage cannot be limited 
to a single or a limited number of shops.
Different schemes for each shop type is a waste everyone's of time.

For instance;
motorcycle page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle 
for sells spare parts parts 
car http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar for sells spare 
parts service <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service>=parts

Nothing for spare parts in computer nor electronic shops .. they will 
probably develop there own unique scheme. Madness.

>     Dave
>     On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:35 AM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>     <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         On 01-Nov-16 09:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>         sent from a phone
>>         Il giorno 31 ott 2016, alle ore 22:01, Warin
>>         <61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> ha
>>         scritto:
>>>         The same 'pattern' should be used for all shops.
>>>         service:thing=* where things could be shoe, cloths, etc
>>         like service:wine=bottles;casks;goblets?
>>         service:harddrives=yes;dealer;defragmentation?
>>         service:shoes=high_heels;sandals;flip_flops;sneakers? Or
>>         service:shoes:high_heels=repair? service:shoelaces=dealer?
>>         Why "service"?
>         Service .. in this instance I would take it as a physical
>         activity that may include replacement of parts such as ;
>         maintenance (e.g. regular service of a car - oil change etc)
>         repair (e.g. replacing a zipper on a jacket)
>         Parts .. I would see as a sells thing ...
>         Most English speakers would never consider 'wine bottle
>         service' , that is a selling activity (unless your a glass
>         blower reforming a broken bottle).
>         Again this should be common for all shops, and I believe I
>         have had this discussion on 'sells' here .. only to have it
>         rejected as 'not for OSM' and 'hard to maintain' etc.
>         Mappers are tagging this information into the data base .. in
>         any fashion .. and that leads to a mess.
>         If this tagging group wants to provide guidance on sensible
>         tagging then suggest better methods!
>>         Cheers,
>>         Martin
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