[Tagging] Busways

Yves yvecai at gmail.com
Thu Nov 3 10:55:28 UTC 2016


@Tijmen, IMHO there is very little chance to convince people to change the way we tag highways because of buses using them or not. 
Yves 

Le 3 novembre 2016 09:01:51 GMT+01:00, althio <althio.forum at gmail.com> a écrit :
>My 2 cents:
>
>I am very much in favour of b) highway=* (all the range from motorway,
>link, prim./sec./tert. to service) + access/vehicle=no and
>bus/psv=yes/designated.
>
>Hence:
>> I propose expanding the highway=service to roads that are for one
>very specific, non-general-public use, and the addition of service=bus
>for roads that are dedicated to buses
>-1, too different from existing definition and global usage of
>highway=service
>
>> I'm proposing to formalize (by documenting on the wiki) a practice
>that is already widespread, namely to tag busways as highway=service.
>-1, some of them are possibly properly tagged as highway=service, that
>is not the only case in my opinion.
>
>> I think you should consider the access rights (access=no, bus=yes)
>and the road classification (highway=service/unclassified) as two
>separate things.
>> Ask yourself what kind of highway-tag you would use, if the road was
>not limited to buses only.
>+1, use meaningful tag for level of this road (for the bus in overall
>road network)
>
>> I look at service highways as most general highways. All highways are
>service highways, but residential highways are a special type,
>motorways are another special type and so on.
>> So anything that is a highway but is none of these special types,
>then it's a service.
>-1, not my understanding
>
>-- althio
>
>
>On 2 November 2016 at 07:23, Tijmen Stam <mailinglists at iivq.net> wrote:
>> In the local Dutch forum there was a discussion on how to tag what I
>call
>> busways*.
>>
>> a) as highway=service
>> with access=no and bus=yes (or psv=yes)
>> e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364983960
>>
>> b) as another highway type, such as highway=unclassified in cities
>and the
>> country, or highway=motorway_link when it is e.g. a highway ramp.
>> e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/7391275 and
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24297125
>>
>> There are examples of both in the Netherlands. While the majority of
>busways
>> is tagged as highway=service, there are some people who feel very
>strongly
>> against it.
>>
>> While I personally prefer the highway=service, the description of
>> highway=service
><https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice>
>> doesn't fit it really well: "Generally for access to a building,
>service
>> station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc. This
>is
>> also commonly used for access to parking, driveways, and alleys."
>>
>> However, unclassified (the only other possible highway tag if it's
>not a
>> _link) "doesn't feel right" to me.
>>
>> Looking at taginfo, the undocumented service=bus has 4462 uses, and
>is in
>> use globally:
>https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=service&value=bus.
>> service=busway adds another 1400-ish.
>>
>> I propose expanding the highway=service to roads that are for one
>very
>> specific, non-general-public use, and the addition of service=bus for
>roads
>> that are dedicated to buses, with an implied access=no and bus=yes
>tag.
>>
>> Any ideas? Suggestions?
>>
>> Tijmen / IIVQ
>>
>>
>> * With busways I mean separate roads that are legally (and sometimes
>by use
>> of a bollard or lift gate also practically) only accessible for
>buses. This
>> can be a short connection between two roads, but also a mayor
>stand-alone
>> road netword, e.g.
><http://www.fransmensonides.nl/foto/tangent04.jpg>. I am
>> _not_ talking about bus lanes nor about guided busways.
>>
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