[Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

Tristan Anderson andersontristan at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 19 03:24:50 UTC 2017

I think I see what the problem is and correct me if I'm wrong.  Under the current tagging scheme the only way to tag a road that prohibits Kraftwagen would be something like...







 ...and probably several others

Even though this situation is unheard of in North America and the UK, it is common enough in Germany that there should be a way to streamline it, something along the lines of double_track=no, or, if there isn't a suitable English translation, kraftwagen=no.  I would agree that Personenkraftwagen translates perfectly into motorcar in the OSM sense of the word.

From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
Sent: February 18, 2017 8:26 PM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

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On 18 Feb 2017, at 22:36, Tristan Anderson <andersontristan at hotmail.com<mailto:andersontristan at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the hierarchy.  It was mentioned that there are signs in Germany that forbid motorcars to pass.  Are you sure that these signs aren't prohibiting all vehicles from passing?  This may be the case even if there's a picture of a car on the sign.

in Germany the sign with the car on it is about "Kraftwagen" which includes besides pkw (cars) also buses and hgv, but it doesn't include motorbikes (Kraftrad), typically you'll see a sign which forbids entry for both these classes: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_seit_2013#/media/Datei%3AZeichen_260_-_Verbot_für_Krafträder_und_Mofas_und_sonstige_mehrspurige_Kraftfahrzeuge%2C_StVO_1992.svg

there's no class for "Kraftwagen" in osm if motorcar is about cars  (Personenkraftwagen, or is that passenger car?): https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personenkraftwagen
but I'm not sure about the corresponding term because you can't really rely on wikipedia interlinking here, at least the italian article should be linked to Personenkraftwagen, not to automobile as it is now: https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovettura
and likely the English one as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
but the English one is not clear in any way, anyway.

Apparently the uk doesn't have a traffic sign restricting the access just for cars:

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