[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

Antoine Riche antoine.riche at ymail.com
Sat Nov 11 09:55:16 UTC 2017

Apologies for joining the discussion slightly late, I was offline 

For transparency, I shall first state that my company Carto'Cité has a 
contract with SNCF to "look after" 380 railway stations in the Greater 
Paris area. This is how I detected Ilya's changeset 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53267689) and started a 
discussion with him. We've also mapped the main Paris railway stations 
to great details, the result of which can be seen using tools such as 
http://openlevelup.net/ and https://openstationmap.org/.

There are a few points in this discussion I'd like to come back to.

The argument that only a few stations have been mapped with polygons is 
wrong. The OSM practice is to start simple and rough then iterate to 
improve the data and accuracy. The fact that only a few people have done 
it so far is not an argument either : probably only a few people started 
mapping the electrical network and this is now a valuable asset. Or we 
decide collectively that there is a threshold of complexity that we do 
not want to cross.

I don't see why subway stations should be mapped differently to other 
overground stations. Both are part of the public transport model which 
should handle all situations (and evolve if needed). Mapping underground 
areas is indeed harder, but not impossible. The indoor model can be 
combined with the public transport model and we proved it works.

I agree that these massive stop_area  relations are not elegant. These 
have indeed been used to make it easier to extract the data related to a 
station. However in complex cases I cannot see an alternative, maybe 
using site relations with a sensible use of perimeter members is the way 
to go. Having said that, removing bike sharing facilities, taxi and 
other useful stuff from stop_area relations is a strange decision - and 
by the way this seems to have been done to make it easier for another 
tool to use the data. Let's not start an editing war...

A lot of intensive work has been done to map railway stations with the 
indoor scheme, and large sections of them are located underground. This 
is for instance the case in France where SNCF has put some effort and 
money in doing so, and also Deusche Bahn in Germany. I was indeed rather 
surprised that Ilya went ahead with changing the data based on his 
proposal before it got voted. I am glad this discussion goes public.


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