[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

[José G Moya Y.]

It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe <
fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com> escribió:

Hi,

Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page
of power=substation key.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets

Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages
(with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet

location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to
replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet +
street_cabinet=power

location key can now be used everytime to give the right
substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.
We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
man_made=street_cabinet
street_cabinet=power
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=underground or indoor or ...

All the best

François

2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>:

Hi

The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described with
power=substation + location=kiosk.
They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter to
work (opposite of building) :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg

Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function.

Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=kiosk

I propose to update it as such :
man_made=street_cabinet
street_cabinet=power
power=substation
substation=minor_distribution
location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)

It works both for nodes or areas.
Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position
instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks
for instance)
There are 7k objects in db:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk

Pages to update are :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet

How do you feel about it ?

There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this
question.
Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days.
No automated edits.

Thanks for your time

François


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El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert <osm-ml at michreichert.de>
escribió:

> Hi,
>
> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible
> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history
> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The
> edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
> as a replacement.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
>
> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement
> Proposal in 2013.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation
>
> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in
> 2014.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all.
>
> I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are
> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the
> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>
> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose
> to revert this change on the wiki.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
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