[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

[John Sturdy]

To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be the
right word for these.  A kiosk is normally something that *is* large enough
for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through a
hatch).

__John


On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <josemoya at gmail.com> wrote:

> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe <
> fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page
> of power=substation key.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_
> substations_in_street_cabinets
>
> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages
> (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%
> 3Dtransformer#Location_values
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>
> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to
> replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet +
> street_cabinet=power
>
> location key can now be used everytime to give the right
> substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.
> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
> man_made=street_cabinet
> street_cabinet=power
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=underground or indoor or ...
>
> All the best
>
> François
>
> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi
>
> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described
> with power=substation + location=kiosk.
> They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter to
> work (opposite of building) : https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
>
> Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function.
>
> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=kiosk
>
> I propose to update it as such :
> man_made=street_cabinet
> street_cabinet=power
> power=substation
> substation=minor_distribution
> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)
>
> It works both for nodes or areas.
> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position
> instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks
> for instance)
> There are 7k objects in db:
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
>
> Pages to update are :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%
> 3Dtransformer#Location_values
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>
> How do you feel about it ?
>
> There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this
> question.
> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days.
> No automated edits.
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> François
>
>
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> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert <
> osm-ml at michreichert.de> escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible
>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history
>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The
>> edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
>> as a replacement.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:
>> power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
>>
>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement
>> Proposal in 2013.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
>> Substation_refinement#Substation
>>
>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in
>> 2014.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
>> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all.
>>
>> I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are
>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the
>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>>
>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose
>> to revert this change on the wiki.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
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