[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

[James]

@Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <pelderson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power kiosk. It
> converts the high voltage to low voltage and distributes power to
> households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me.
> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g. newspapers,
> sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
>
> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>:
>
>> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't seem to be
>> the right word for these.  A kiosk is normally something that *is* large
>> enough for a person to enter (typically, someone selling something through
>> a hatch).
>>
>> __John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y. <josemoya at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
>>> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe <
>>> fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk
>>> page of power=substation key.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Kiosk_substations_in_street_cabinets
>>>
>>> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated mentionned wiki pages
>>> (with French version when available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>>>
>>> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and it's encouraged to
>>> replace it manually and carefully with man_made=street_cabinet +
>>> street_cabinet=power
>>>
>>> location key can now be used everytime to give the right
>>> substation/transformer's location, in cabinet or not.
>>> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
>>> man_made=street_cabinet
>>> street_cabinet=power
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=underground or indoor or ...
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> François
>>>
>>> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable to map items described
>>> with power=substation + location=kiosk.
>>> They are actual small cabinets like those where no technician can enter
>>> to work (opposite of building) :
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:10kV_trafo_kiosk.jpg
>>>
>>> Street cabinet is the container while substation is the function.
>>>
>>> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Examples
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=kiosk
>>>
>>> I propose to update it as such :
>>> man_made=street_cabinet
>>> street_cabinet=power
>>> power=substation
>>> substation=minor_distribution
>>> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is located)
>>>
>>> It works both for nodes or areas.
>>> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back to give cabinet position
>>> instead of substation design (there was issues to tag underground kiosks
>>> for instance)
>>> There are 7k objects in db:
>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/location=kiosk
>>>
>>> Pages to update are :
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dtransformer#Location_values
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:substation%3Dminor_distribution
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dsubstation#Location
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstreet_cabinet
>>>
>>> How do you feel about it ?
>>>
>>> There are no need of a time consuming formal proposal to deal with this
>>> question.
>>> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages in 15 days.
>>> No automated edits.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time
>>>
>>> François
>>>
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>>> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert <
>>> osm-ml at michreichert.de> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked up the possible
>>>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance in the history
>>>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page on 2018-01-02. The
>>>> edit description mentions man_made=street_cabinet+street_cabinet=power
>>>> as a replacement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:power%3Dsubstation&oldid=1542685
>>>>
>>>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved Substation Refinement
>>>> Proposal in 2013.
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Substation
>>>>
>>>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street Cabinet Proposal in
>>>> 2014.
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet
>>>> This proposal does not mention substations or transformers at all.
>>>>
>>>> I think that small substations are not street cabinets because they are
>>>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not located on the
>>>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose
>>>> to revert this change on the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
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