[Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

djakk djakk djakk.djakk at gmail.com
Sat Aug 18 18:54:14 UTC 2018


Place=village and administrative=village or =hamlet ?


djakk


Le sam. 18 août 2018 à 20:50, José G Moya Y. <josemoya at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Well, from the mapping point of view, these political differences between
> a Spanish small village and a Spanish big hamlet matter:
>
> 1) Villages have their own major, so they have a town hall.
> 2) Villages have their own local rules on max speed, buildings, street
> markets and banking holidays. So a van driver looking to sell his/her
> watermellon cargo could need to know this fact.
>
> El sáb., 18 ago. 2018 20:31, djakk djakk <djakk.djakk at gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> I agree with Michael, openstreetmap should reflect what the mapers see,
>> not what the politics and the administration see. Though it is also
>> interesting to map administrative things like borders.
>>
>> djakk
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 18 août 2018 à 17:33, Yves <yvecai at mailbox.org> a écrit :
>>
>>> Michael, you don't seem to take the right direction to construct a
>>> fruitful discussion with Jose :)
>>> For your first issue, did you reach the Lithuanian and Russian community?
>>>
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> Le 18 août 2018 16:37:28 GMT+02:00, Michael Tsang <miklcct at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday 18 August 2018 22:10:15 HKT José G Moya Y. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Plwase take into notice that, in some countries, the difference between
>>>>>  suburb, hamlet, town or village is not only based on population but in
>>>>>  political issues, such as self-government, also.
>>>>>
>>>>>  When I see my hometown is defined as "aldea" (hamlet) in wikidata I always
>>>>>  got angry, because, being statistically a hamlet (~200 people), it *is*
>>>>>  politically a *village* (it elects its own town major and has its own self
>>>>>  government and budget).
>>>>>
>>>>>  There are many such villages in Spain, (specially in the "Spanish Finland",
>>>>>  the demographic desert between Soria and Teruel) and that is a point of
>>>>>  conflict with many EU directives that request villages provide services a
>>>>>  such small villages can't afford.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But does it look like a village from an untrained eye? i.e. what services does
>>>> it provide? If it really provides services that a village provide than it is
>>>> really a village.
>>>>
>>>> If I am doing the mapping, if the settlement is small (less than 200 people)
>>>> AND does not provide services where a village should provide, I will mark it
>>>> as a hamlet despite every official designation.
>>>>
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