[Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

gppes_osm at web.de gppes_osm at web.de
Fri Aug 31 12:22:14 UTC 2018


To my knowledge the maximum current can be quite different and also the system: Three-phase electric power vs. single-phase circuit.

I would guess the range for a single household could go from about 2.500W to about 25.000W.

> Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 12:40 Uhr
> Von: seirra <general at sarifria.x10.bz>
> An: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity
>
> here anyway, the networks are more than happy to show an area map and 
> generally they don't change. as the resident can choose just about any 
> of the energy companies however, that would take a bit of asking around. 
> i've never tried asking companies so perhaps they would give the data 
> out, otherwise it would have to be surveys. voltage and current is 
> usually country wide or in a rather close range? (imagine the difficulty 
> supplying electrical products to consumers otherwise). i'm a little less 
> sure about earthing systems.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/18 10:23, gppes_osm at web.de wrote:
> > I'm asking myself, how is all the (quite specific) data verifiable on the ground? Furthermore, don't you need expert knowledge for some things mentioned, eg. earthing system,  but also the more straight forward things like voltages and especially currents - who is able to identify the correct fuses for that?
> >
> > Why do you want to tag these properties? To my opinion, no one needs to justify tags regarding to usefulness, I'm just curios.
> >
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 10:17 Uhr
> >> Von: seirra <general at sarifria.x10.bz>
> >> An: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> >> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity
> >>
> >> yeah that is what i meant. i think they buy it from the network which
> >> serves as a 'middleman' to the generators, because the prices for the
> >> same company and tariff vary depending what network you are in over
> >> here. so presumably they pick and choose their power sources, and then
> >> the network charges them a fee to use them over that network.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/31/18 08:57, Warin wrote:
> >>> Here there is the company that I buy my electricity from. They buy it
> >>> from the distribution network that I am connected to.
> >>> So I can have a choice of who I buy from .. but my network does not
> >>> change.
> >>> I am not certain if these firms buy it directly from the network .. or
> >>> some other body that then sees to the network and the power generators
> >>> as separate things.
> >>>
> >>> On 31/08/18 17:43, seirra wrote:
> >>>> just something to mention about distribution companies here anyway,
> >>>> we have the network, then we have the company? so for example my
> >>>> network is UK power network, but my company is utilita? however in
> >>>> other areas (still in the uk) they would have a different network
> >>>> altogether
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 08/31/18 05:47, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote:
> >>>>>      I think this would be hard to maintain, and highly redundant
> >>>>>      since voltage won't change for a given city or even country.
> >>>>>      Think about standards names to fill utilities:electricity.
> >>>>>      Each standard comes with frequency, voltage, rating...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I agree that in most cases voltage doesn't change much for a
> >>>>> given city. But something that will change frequently is the source
> >>>>> (here in Madagascar mostly from a distribution company, a generator,
> >>>>> or individual solar panels).
> >>>>> And maybe another good idea is to omit those voltage and possibly
> >>>>> redundant details, and put sources directly as values on the main
> >>>>> tag (like how most of the few existing electricity=* tags seem to be
> >>>>> used). So we would have something like:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    * utility:electricity=yes - there is electricity feeding the
> >>>>>      building but the source is not defined
> >>>>>    * utility:electricity=no - there is no electricity source at all
> >>>>>    * utility:electricity=generator/company/solar/windmill... - there
> >>>>>      is electricity and the source is known
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2018-08-31 1:47 GMT+03:00 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
> >>>>> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      On 31/08/18 05:20, François Lacombe wrote:
> >>>>>>      Le jeu. 30 août 2018 à 19:12, Dolly Andriatsiferana
> >>>>>>      <privatemajory at gmail.com <mailto:privatemajory at gmail.com>> a
> >>>>>>      écrit :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>          I like the idea of keeping a namespace gathering utilities
> >>>>>>          such as electricity, gas, internet or other. But the idea
> >>>>>>          is also to be able to use a namespace for the utility to
> >>>>>>          provide more details (source, voltage, fee...) or
> >>>>>>          conditions (if there's schedule in availability) - and with
> >>>>>>          *utility:electricity* this would easily generate a complex
> >>>>>>          tagging of namespace under namespace, unless you say it is
> >>>>>>          no problem to have *utility:electricity:voltage=** for example.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      I think this would be hard to maintain, and highly redundant
> >>>>>>      since voltage won't change for a given city or even country.
> >>>>>      Most hoses in Australia have 240 v single phase supplied to
> >>>>>      them. Then they have 'standard' (here) GPOs of 10 Amp capacity.
> >>>>>      Some have one or more higher 15 Amp capacity outlets.
> >>>>>      And then there are some houses that have 3 phase 415v supplied
> >>>>>      to them - and they have 'standard' (here) GPOs of 10 Amp
> >>>>>      capacity, possibly one or more 15 Amp capacity outlets and one
> >>>>>      or more 3 phase outlets.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      So here you have in one neighbourhood 3 different instances of
> >>>>>      electricity presence in houses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>      Agreed with Paul statement about earthing system which is
> >>>>>>      specific to each building
> >>>>>      Earthing systems are usually mandated and common to some
> >>>>>      bureaucratic boundaries.
> >>>>>
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