[Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Thu Dec 6 09:49:12 UTC 2018


On 06/12/18 20:25, Eugene Podshivalov wrote:
> Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words
> "пруд" - is usually a natural but modified by a man body of water 
> which is smaller than lake. this is usually translated as "pond"
> "копанка" - is a very small body of water, escavated by an individual 
> family for private fishing, usually of a square shape about 10x20 
> meters in size.
>
> Making additional subcategories makes sense only when they are 
> commonly recognized.
> Adding language sepecific tag would work better here in my mind:
> water=pond + water:ru=копанка
> this way we preserve the generic categorization and let it be expanded 
> for local purpose.
>
> With regards to "озеро" (lake) it is even more complecated. In Russian 
> we may call "озеро" both natural and man-modified bodies of water.
> So both water=lake and water=pond can be called "озеро".
> The afore-mentioned solution could solve it:
> water=lake + water:ru=озеро
> water=pond + water:ru=озеро
>
> Another solution as suggested in the original post is to introduce 
> some generic (category independent) tag like "name:prefix/postfix" or 
> "type:<lang>" etc. for such things.

Please.. not 'type'.

How about using 'description' ...
description:ru=копанка
description:ru=пруд
description:ru=озеро

???
>
>     чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 04:17, Joseph Eisenberg
>     <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>>:
>     For example, in America we can call a waterway=stream a “brook”,
>     “creek”, “run” and several other things. These waterways will be
>     tagged waterway=stream or =river (depending on size) with
>     name=“Bull Run”, =“Walker Creek”, =“Johnson’s Brook”, etc.
>     We don’t use waterway=creek or waterway=run because there is no
>     consistent difference between these. In fact in Standard British
>     English a Creek is often a tidal channel in a salt marsh or mangroves.
>
> If you put “brook”, “creek”, “run” etc. in the name field you will 
> get tautology in search results like: "stream Blue creek". So either 
> all objects should have their category in the name field and the 
> search engine will not add anything or no objects should have category 
> in the name fields and the search engine will take the category from 
> some other field and append it to name.
> E.g. assume you have name=Blue + waterway=stream + waterway:en=creek, 
> you search for "Blue" and get "Blue creek".
>
> чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 10:26, Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com 
> <mailto:okosm at johnfreed.com>>:
>
>     Thanks, Michal. Following that link led me to:
>
>     shop=butcher + butcher=pork
>
>     which specifically mentions charcuterie. Presumably covers this too.
>
>     Best,
>
>     John
>
>
>     On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:18 AM Michal Fabík
>     <michal.fabik at gmail.com <mailto:michal.fabik at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:03 PM Sergio Manzi <smz at smz.it
>         <mailto:smz at smz.it>> wrote:
>         > I have the same problem for some shop categories which are
>         not part of the US/UK tradition: an Italian "salumeria" [1] is
>         in no way similar to a US "deli" shop...
>
>         Hi, the wiki specifically mentions this and suggests a
>         different way
>         of tagging American delis:
>         https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Ddeli
>
>         -- 
>         Michal Fabík
>
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