[Tagging] roundtrip
Warin
61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon May 28 09:04:04 UTC 2018
I don't think 'circular' is the best word... implies round .. and at
least some are not round.
continuous_route?
looped_route?
On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote:
> I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not
> too far off. The waymarks and often available
> map/leaflet/booklet/description do indeed bring you back to the
> starting point. (Remember the walking_bus discussion?)
>
> Having said that, I think circular_route is more to-the-point, it
> targets the route itself instead of the service. I have asked the
> Dutch community for input on retagging roundtrip=yes (for
> foot/hiking/cycling routes) to circular_route=yes, and using
> closed_loop=yes for the purpose of validation.
>
> 2018-05-28 10:01 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com
> <mailto:winfixit at gmail.com>>:
>
> I only saw the discussion in this thread, came to the conclusion I
> (and probably many other Dutch and German speakers) had
> interpreted the meaning completely wrong.
>
> The tag is indeed meaningless, as it stands. Especially for public
> transport, where it really doesn't matter. We're describing
> itineraries. For hiking/cycling it's a misnomer. So it would be
> good to phase it out.
>
> What I'm trying to accomplish, while we're doing that is to not
> only replace it with circular_route, to indicate intent, but to
> also add a tag that validators can use to perform validation.
>
> Jo
>
> 2018-05-28 9:54 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com
> <mailto:voschix at gmail.com>>:
>
> Have you seen the discussion on the roundtrip tag [1]?
> It looks as if there are two different roundtrip concepts in use:
> For hiking or cycling routes it means that the route you
> follow brings you back to the starting point with the outwards
> route and the return route (mostly) different.
> in a traffic service round trip is often used to indicate a
> service "there and back"
> "roundtrip=yes|no" is an unfortunate choice of key as it has
> wo meanings, mainly ccording to which side of the Atlantic
> Ocean you are. but its in use about 25k times.
> It might have been better to have something like "loop=yes|no"
> for hiking and cycling routes.
> For bus|underground|tram lines it might have been better to
> use something like "geometry=linear|circular|..." for
> transportation routes.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:roundtrip>
>
> On 28 May 2018 at 08:52, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com
> <mailto:winfixit at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From what I gathered during this discussion, roundtrip is
> mostly understood and used wrongly by mappers.
>
> It's also not something about the route, but rather about
> a passenger who buys a ticket to come back the same way
> the same day/weekend and paying the return fare on the
> same ticket (aller/retour - heen- en terug).
>
> So I went and downloaded all objects tagged with
> roundtrip. The one I changed needed major clean up in its
> members anyway.
>
> So how do we get from a meaningless tag (roundtrip) to
> something that actually has meaning for itineraries?
>
> I think that on the one hand we need a tag to describe
> what the user can expect (get back to approximate initial
> position) and on the other hand it would be nice (for
> validation purposes) to know if the ways in the relation
> are supposed to form a closed loop.
>
> hence:
> circular_route=yes
> closed_loop=no
>
> for that particular bus route.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2018-05-28 7:47 GMT+02:00
> <osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au
> <mailto:osm.tagging at thorsten.engler.id.au>>:
>
> The real question, which as far as I can tell you
> haven’t answered, is: Does that same vehicle, after
> completing its route, start at the beginning of the
> same route again?
>
> Based on your description, the route as mapped is
> A1->B->C->D->E->A2.
>
> Can I get on at E, stay on the vehicle, and get off at
> B? (In which case I would expect that after finishing
> at A2, the vehicle goes to A1, and you can remain on
> board during that time. A2 may be (but doesn’t have
> to) an “exit only” and A1 and “entry only” stop).
>
> If yes, then it is roundtrip=yes. And you shouldn’t
> just remove an existing tag that actually applies.
>
> If no, then the roundtrip=yes is wrong and should be
> removed.
>
> *From:*Jo <winfixit at gmail.com
> <mailto:winfixit at gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13
> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> <tagging at openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:tagging at openstreetmap.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] roundtrip
>
> An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes
> back to the same location. It's not circle shaped at
> all, but that shouldn't matter for circular route.
>
> I removed roundtrip=yes and replaced it with
>
> circular_route=yes
>
> closed_loop=no
>
> If the last way wouldn't be in there, closed_loop
> would be yes. But the first and the last bus stops are
> not exactly opposite one another.
>
> Jo
>
> 2018-05-27 6:22 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson
> <baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>>:
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Peter Elderson
> <pelderson at gmail.com <mailto:pelderson at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> I wish you a happy trip on that bus, hope it
> has toilets and a tolerable coffee machine
>
> Oh, you sweet, summer child. Someone's never tried
> to take a suburban route in the US, even in a
> "transit oriented" American city...
>
>
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