[Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

djakk djakk djakk.djakk at gmail.com
Sat Nov 3 06:07:35 UTC 2018


Moreover, timetables in OSM can be useful even incomplete : a mapper can
map only timetables of 2 bus stops, its local bus stop’s and the main stop
of the line (downtown’s bus stop), then you can tell users the timetable
between the bus stops of this suburb and downtown.

Julien « djakk »


Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 06:57, djakk djakk <djakk.djakk at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Yes I trust you ;)
> But where the bus network does not revolutionate (that exists) every 6
> months, timetables and bus stops can be in OSM ...
>
> Julien « djakk »
>
>
> Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 06:20, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> On 03/11/18 15:55, djakk djakk wrote:
>>
>> No : bus relations are broken because of the way part, not because of the
>> node part. And detailed timetables will be associated with the nodes.
>>
>> Breaking a bus relation by cutting a street way in half does not implies
>> that the osm timetable breaks too.
>>
>> I do not see why timetables are hard to maintain ? Most bus lines do not
>> change their schedules for years (even in big cities, Paris for example).
>>
>> Mine seem to change every 6 months.
>>
>> Because changing the schedule means buy a new bus and hire new drivers.
>>
>>
>> Not here..some old buses.
>> Occasionally the driver makes a wrong turn .. and asks the passengers
>> where to go. Sometimes that is a new route, sometimes a new driver.
>>
>>
>> Julien « djakk »
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 04:48, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> It sounds like we agree: detailed timetables for every bus stop are too
>>> much to maintain, but simple service hours and intervals assigned to a
>>> route are reasonable.
>>>
>>> This would be very useful for map rendering, because an intercity bus
>>> that runs every 10 minutes is quite different than one that run once a day!
>>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:57 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm siding with the idea of linking to an external data-base, as
>>>> maintaining this in OSM is going to be a nightmare :-(
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 08:45, Joseph Eisenberg <
>>>> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure! But how many GTFS feeds are there in the whole world, compared
>>>>> to the number of towns with public transit?
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m guessing that in Europe perhaps the majority of transit operators
>>>>> publish this info, but it’s not yet universal in they USA, and in Asia and
>>>>> Africa there are 10,000+ cities with no public transit info beyond what is
>>>>> available in OSM
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somebody did mention Moovit earlier: https://moovit.com/
>>>>
>>>> & here is Moovit Indonesia, which may make sense to you but means
>>>> absolutely nothing to me! :-)
>>>>
>>>> https://moovitapp.com/index/in/Tranportasi_Umum-Indonesia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> These cities rarely run strict timetables, but the interval (ie
>>>>> headway) between buses and “open_hours) (ie span of service) would be very
>>>>> useful and verifiable info.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In cases like this, when you need to know that the bus to the big city
>>>> should leave on Monday & Thursday mornings, is a bit of a different
>>>> situation to 100s of routes with multiple journeys, & they would be doable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Graeme
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