[Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Thu Nov 8 22:03:16 UTC 2018

One thing that I found while trying this 'little' exercise is that it would
be good to have an object that 'represents' an operator or a network. I was
using this to keep track of holidays with Sunday schedule and when school
vacations are, because that influences the timetables, but it  could
definitely also serve to point to where one can find a GTFS for the
operator/network/agency and how GTFS fields translate to OSM tags:

In my region I have started to use ref:De_Lijn=102345, in the GTFS feed I
found this corresponds to the stop_code field.

What I plan to do is to add a url tag to all the stops, that lead to a web
page with realtime for each separate stop. On the route_master relations, I
plan to point to the operator's web site's page describing that particular


Op do 8 nov. 2018 om 22:53 schreef Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:27 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW I've just used https://www.traveline.info/ to find journey between
>> Porthmadog and Criccieth and Bearsden and Milton of Campsie (yes!  There
>> are ones at this time of night!) so the main site does  indeed work in
>> Wales and Scotland.
> Yes, it works.  But it doesn't have an option to use Cymraeg.  Which would
> be a show-stopper
> for some people in Wales, who would rather use a site that is completely
> broken if it is in
> Welsh rather than a site that works but is only available in English.
> Also, the .cymru site has something the .info site does not, route maps.
> I just pulled up a local
> route and looked at its map.  Admittedly it is a very weird and
> complicated route (reminiscent of
> a spider web on drugs), but this route map gets it wrong in many, many
> ways:
> https://www.traveline.cymru/timetables/?routeNum=408&direction_id=0&timetable_key=408MFRBA1
> Kinda reminds me of a Google bus route I looked at several years ago which
> apparently drew straight
> lines (through houses and across fields) between timetabled stops rather
> than following a road between
> them.  Told me to get to a location on the actual bus route by getting off
> a mile beyond and walking
> back because it had joined the stops with straight lines through fields.
> It was only by playing around
> that I got it to show the route it was using, which at one point ploughed
> through the middle of a small
> housing estate and took a straight line across farmland to the next
> timetabled stop.
>> Other than Traveline, plenty of other OSMers* have worked in the
>> transport / route planning area - both "startups" and more traditional
>> transport authorities.  I know of others have looked at consuming GTFS for
>> bus routes in England, and found that it can be a bit complicated as the
>> same numbered route can exist multiple times in the GTFS feed with only
>> minor differences for the variations - it's not just a simple case of "grab
>> all that data from there and use it" unless you're prepared to do quite a
>> bit of processing.  You really need to be an app to do anything useful with
>> the data (such as https://oeffi.schildbach.de/index.html - which works
>> everywhere in GB that I've tried it and presumably uses Traveline's feeds,
>> or something similar) - anything else would just be "reinventing GTFS".
> So what's the copyright situation with Traveline's GTFS feeds?  Are we
> free to use any of them to add
> routes to OSM?  Obviously, they'd have to be sanity-checked...
> --
> Paul
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