[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Nov 29 04:07:24 UTC 2018


Admin_level=3 is incorrect for reservations. in the USA

They do not have administrative authority that is superior to that of the
admin_level 4 States or even counties (level 6) in most areas of
governance, but in some areas they have even more independence.

No numeric admin_level is going to work in any sensible way.

If this were a North American map we could just use admin_level and expect
data users to figure it out, but any system has to work with the use of
different admin levels in other countries.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:00 PM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:35 PM Alan McConchie <alan.mcconchie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I see. So you propose that these areas should not have any additional
>> tags that would identify them as special aboriginal areas, and that the
>> admin_level should be chosen on a case-by-case basis depending on the
>> circumstances of each area and the country that it's in?
>>
>
> Yes, though while not perfect, admin_level=3 isn't a bad default.
>
>
>> And furthermore you don't want these areas to be styled differently from
>> any other administrative boundaries? (and if we follow those tagging
>> guidelines, no one would be _able_ to style them differently because they
>> wouldn't have any special tags?)
>>
>
> That's not the goal, just a happy side benefit.  Given that we have cities
> straddling county lines (Tulsa is in Osage, Tulsa and Wagoner Counties),
> and we have cities straddling state lines (Siloam Springs is in Oklahoma
> and Arkansas), and we have cities that straddle countries (Sault Sainte
> Marie is in the US and Canada), I think people are comfortable that
> subordinate categories straddle higher administrative levels regularly on
> this continent.  Plus for all practical purposes, indian boundaries operate
> and function just like any other political boundary.
>
>
>> I expect that would mean we'd continue to have problems with people
>> tagging for the renderer, as in Brazil, where people will tag native
>> reservations as nature reserves to get them to show up prominently on the
>> map. But if we provided an appropriate generic "administrative" boundary
>> style for tagging native reservations, it's true that the tagging for the
>> renderer would probably decrease, if not completely go away.
>>
>
> So provide guidance.  Like we have to do with people escalating highway
> priorities unnecessarily.
>
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