[Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Tue Oct 9 09:31:35 UTC 2018

If you think the specialty shops should have there own tag, we could start
using shop=specialty_grocery

But I would like someone from England to confirm if this is the specific
British term.

I’m ok with using shop=general for the small shops in developing countries,
if we can edit the wiki to allow use in towns and cities.

I don’t believe there is shop=market tag yet. There is amenity=marketplace
for public markets, found in old town centers in Europe but much more
common in the developing world. Probably shop=market would be too easily
confused with marketplaces.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:42 PM John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:

> sounds like there are several different kinds of shops being discussed
> - old old “markets”, from before there were super markets or convenience
> shops.
> - import/foreign foods shops catering to a local minority population or
> special cultural interest
> - “markets” in developing countries.
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> What do you think about the need for a shop=grocery tag for small shops in
> developing countries and specialty grocers in cities?
> Are there still small groceries in Japan which sell non-perishable food
> items, but would not be properly considerd a shop=convenience,
> shop=general, shop=greengrocer or shop=supermarket?
> I know the shops that you speak of. They were the local “everyday needs”
> shop - the market/grocery shop, very similar to a general store - but in an
> urban area. they were the only shop that had some of everything that wasn't
> covered by the Rice shop, fish shop, the butcher, and the produce stand:
>  curry mix, spices, dish soap, eggs, milk, toilet paper, etc. they would be
> shop=market, if that exists.They still exist in Japan, but are almost gone.
> The mom-n-pop ones are operated by people that live over the shop, and they
> are still operated for the locals to come sit there and gossip - but
> everyone goes to the supermarket 3 minutes away. they never look like they
> sell anything, and most have been shuttered, but a few are still there.
>  the only corner market I knew of was there are a few shop=general out in
> the mountains - but all the “markets” were put out of business by
> supermarkets a long time ago in California. I know of only one from
> personal experience. I hear of the “corner shop” or “bodegas” in New York -
> similar to the little corner market Bullitt buys his frozen dinners from in
> the movie in San Francisco - they seem to be disappearing in developed
> countries.
> They are the proto-market: the Convenience store is more convenient, they
> have no departments, they are not specific enough to be a greengrocer nor
> have a stock of blankets, bullets, motor oil, and firewood like a general
> store - they are the “daily market”, not a giant supermarket - the corner
> store.
> a small market for daily living in developing countries feels like it
> would be a shop=general - a general store has a certain feeling when it is
> the only retail building in 40 miles in any direction, perhaps that is
> similar to the developing country shops.
> I think shop=general for the small developing countries’ markets or these
> fading local markets would be a good kludge, but it is not a fit **at all**
> for some specialty shop in a big city.
> Mediterranean groceries or Caribbean foods, as found in some big cities.
> This is a great question. there are all kinds of [asian country] markets
> in San Diego, and there are Philippine, Brazilian, and “Halal foods” shops
> here in my area of Japan. There are also chain shops catering to “foreign
> foods” : American snacks, British mints, South American Coffee, Italian
> pasta, etc. they almost always are around food.
> if there is a convenience store, a supermarket, a “halal foods” shop, and
> a butcher shop on the same block - that isn’t 4 “markets” - I think the
> idea of a “foreign foods" market is good - and then choose a theme or
> country, or religion, or similar tag would work.  . I don’t know how that
> aspect would be tagged - but the type of shop - the “import goods from some
> far off place catering to a minorty group that lives in the region” is a
> very very common occurrence, and very very rarely considered by the
> majority residents to be a place to go shopping (they all shop at the
> supermarket, as their ethnic and culturally specific goods are stocked
> there). I think having a shop=halal and a shop=Japanese would be wrong - as
> the only place they would be used is outside those areas, and confusing for
> people inside those areas.
> If we try to come up with a tag that fits all these uses, it won’t fit. We
> need to create shop=* tags to fit these separately.
> Javbw
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