[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Oct 29 10:10:25 UTC 2018

At the moment mappers can simply tag by using the name

high commission
consulate _general


OSm normally sides with the mappers rather than the renders, keep the 
mappers job easy and they will continue to add things.
Make it hard and they will give up.

So I would continue with the present system where the mappers can use 
the name to determine the status. If the renders want they can chose;

do all diplomatic things the same (as in now the case)
or distinguish between things .. possibly combining things as you have. 
This could be sated on the wiki under rendering.

On 29/10/18 12:45, Allan Mustard wrote:
> Here are some rules of thumb:
> * If it displays a sign reading "embassy", "high commission", 
> "nunciature", or "interests section", it is a safe bet that it should 
> be tagged "embassy".
> * If the sending side has made loud public pronouncements and 
> published widely that its embassies are now called "people's bureaus" 
> or some other formulation, it can be safely tagged "embassy".
> * If it has a sign on it that says "consulate", it is a consulate, and 
> the sign will specify what flavor of consulate.
> After that it is safest to ask somebody at the institution in question 
> whether it is part of the embassy or consulate (like my American 
> Center) or not (like TIFA), though status can sometimes be divined by 
> reading the institution's website. If all else fails, check the host 
> country's diplomatic list and see if the chief of mission is on it.  
> If s/he is not listed, the institution is not diplomatic 
> (diplomatic=other).  If s/he is listed but has a non-diplomatic title 
> (e.g., "director" or "coordinator" as opposed to "ambassador", "charge 
> d'affaires", "minister", "counselor", "first/second/third secretary", 
> or "attache") the mission is pretty clearly not under the VCDR 
> (diplomatic=other).  Here we walk a fine line.  TIFA is an agency of 
> the Turkish government, hence diplomatic=other. American Councils, 
> which operates our American Corners in Turkmenistan, is an NGO 
> operating under contract with the U.S. government, so our American 
> Corners are not diplomatic, but rather NGO offices (office=ngo). 
> Parsing all of this constitutes a good excuse to recruit diplomats to 
> OSM to help with mapping :-)
> Two more examples and I'll stop--I can hear the eyes rolling all the 
> way from Ashgabat:
> * The Apostolic Nunciature in Ashgabat is headed most of the time by a 
> charge d'affaires because the nuncio is resident in Ankara and only 
> visits periodically.  The charge d'affaires is nominally the "cultural 
> attache".  Since it is a nunciature, we know it is under the VCDR.
> * The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Asian 
> Development Bank, and the United Nations missions in Ashgabat (there 
> are two) enjoy diplomatic status under the Bretton Woods arrangement 
> (the banks) and the UN Charter.  Technically that makes the EBRD and 
> ADB diplomatic missions, but we tag them as banks, not as embassies 
> (under the new construct we might however tag them diplomatic=other in 
> addition to tagging them as banks).  The lead UN Mission, in a new 
> construct with diplomatic=* as a primary tag, would be tagged 
> diplomatic=other since its head is called "resident coordinator" and 
> the UN Mission is covered by the UN Charter, not the VCDR.
> Would the lay person know all this?  Not until reading the wiki 
> articles we will need to compose if a primary diplomatic=* tag is 
> adopted. Sometimes it is not completely obvious and you have to do a 
> little research.
> On 10/29/2018 3:08 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 at 02:32, Allan Mustard <allan at mustard.net 
>> <mailto:allan at mustard.net>> wrote:
>>     * The USAID office is part of the American Embassy but is in a
>>     separate office flat in a building across town, so would be a
>>     node tagged diplomatic=embassy, embassy=assistance office.
>>     * The Turkish counterpart, TIFA, does not enjoy diplomatic status
>>     so would be tagged diplomatic=other, other=assistance office.
>>     * The Libyan Economic Cooperation Bureau would be
>>     diplomatic=other, other=trade office because it is accorded
>>     diplomatic status by bilateral agreement, not the VCDR (there is
>>     no Libyan Embassy here).
>>     * The American Center would be a node in an office building
>>     tagged diplomatic=embassy, embassy=cultural center, while the
>>     Iranian Cultural Center would be a building with the same tags,
>>     since both enjoy diplomatic status as sections of their
>>     respective embassies.
>>     * The Russian Consulate General has its own building and grounds
>>     separate from the embassy, so would be an enclosed way tagged as
>>     diplomatic=consulate, consulate=consulate general.
>> Thank you for a very detailed, very interesting post, Allan.
>> One question, please.
>> Is there any way that a layman such as myself would know that "The 
>> Libyan Economic Cooperation Bureau would be diplomatic=other, 
>> other=trade office because it is accorded diplomatic status by 
>> bilateral agreement, not the VCDR", or is this sort of thing only 
>> known to Govt / diplomatic staff?
>> Thanks
>> Graeme
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