[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

José G Moya Y. josemoya at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 14:29:11 UTC 2018


Hi!
If we start mapping refill=soft_drinks;coffee... and so on, how would you
map sites where some soft drinks are refillable and some are not?
As an example, in Ikea the bottled unsugared top-brand cola drink (I don't
remember whether it is coke zero or pepsi max) can not be refilled, where
the unbottled sugared own-brand cola drink can be refilled.
Would you tag Ikea as
"refill=coffee;pear_drink;blueberry_drink;tea_unsugared_drink;cola_sugared_drink"?


El jue., 20 sept. 2018 14:25, bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> escribió:

> Thanks for your local insights. I believe that the UK program called
> "Refill" used the word in a different meaning as well, hence the key
> `free_refill=*` could lead to confusion in the future.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refill_(scheme)
>
> Listing the semicolon-separated list of refillable beverages in the
> value part of the tags sounds like a good idea.
>
> I like your take with `drinking_water=customers`, let me update my
> proposal to this one.
>
> My original idea was to add `drinking_water=yes` as well to such
> shops, but has received chilling responses so far.
>
> And do you think that a note to users may be warranted, like
> `drinking_water:description="on request"`? A potential barrier may be
> a tourist who does not speak the local language. She could definitely
> use an unattended water tap either inside or outside the pub, but may
> have trouble describing to the staff that she wants water but only the
> free, non-mineral, non-carbonated variant so it will be free. They
> could mix up the intention with the `owncup` campaign where you get a
> discount when using your own cup/container for your orders. I imagine
> pubs would gladly refill with premium content "by accident" in many
> such cases, or at least I know countries where this would be
> commonplace. I'll add this case to the description.
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:32 AM Joseph Eisenberg
> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I see that the suggestions about "free refills" are included here
> because there was some confusion about the use of "free_refill=yes" in
> central Europe. The English word "refill" implies that it is the second
> time something has been filled. Thus a customer may request that their
> glass be filled again with the same beverage.
> >
> > I'd suggest a separate proposal page to discuss the free_refill=yes tag.
> >
> > In North America, free beverage refills are limited to "soft drinks"
> (aka fizzy drinks / pop / soda / cola depending on dialect), tea and brewed
> coffee. Alcoholic beverages, espresso and specialty coffee drinks, and
> other specialty beverage are usually excluded. I don't recall every seeing
> free refills of lemonade or fruit juice.
> >
> > So it would be sufficient to have
> free_refill=coffee/tea/soft_drink/yes/no free_refill=yes would imply that
> all customers can get free refills on coffee, tea and soft drinks, if all
> are offered. Or at a cafe that only serves coffee and tea, free_refill=yes
> would mean free refills on coffee and tea (since soft drinks are not
> available)
> >
> > Some places only offer refills for free on one category. For example, a
> cafe or "diner" may only offer free refills of brewed coffee, while a fast
> food restaurant often offers free refills of "soft drinks" but not coffee.
> In this case the specific free_refill=coffee or free_refill=soft_drink
> would be used.
> >
> > I don't think it is necessary to use a more complicated namespaced tag,
> such as free_refill:coffee=yes, though that could be an alternative.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:00 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible.
> >>
> >> If a cafe or shop gives out free water for customers, tag the shop or
> cafe with “drinking_water=customers”. If it’s for anyone,
> “drinking_water=yes” is currently used. I don’t see a need for a new tag
> “drinking_water=ask”
> >>
> >> If there is a drinking fountain, water tap or bottle refill station in
> a shopping mall or building that has opening_hours, just use
> amenity=drinking_water plus opening_hours=* on the node. Man_made=water_tap
> or =drinking_fountain or =water_well can also be added to the same node for
> more detail.
> >>
> >> I believe amenity=drinking_water implies no fee, and public access, so
> these characteristics do not require explicit tagging
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:57 PM bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to discuss three related proposals and two separate ones that
> >>> can be confused with the others. In all the below cases, the
> >>> availability is tied to the opening_hours of the containing POI.
> >>>
> >>> Five separate proposals could have been created, but I feel that the
> >>> concepts and words describe these are so close, it is best to have a
> >>> good overview.
> >>>
> >>> I'm open to suggestions both related to the tags themselves and how we
> >>> should structure and document this proposal in the wiki.
> >>>
> >>>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_drinking_water_by_private_entities
> >>>
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