[Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
Mon Aug 12 22:19:24 UTC 2019


"OSM meta item" or a "OSM meta dataitem"... naming is hard :)

Wikibase is too close to Wikidata, thus has caused some confusion -- that's
why I avoid calling it that.

I agree that we can (and should!) customize data items editing experience,
make it simpler for OSM community. This is surprisingly easy, and requires
just a bit of JavaScript skills (and some time).  By comparison, Wikidata
has hundreds of such tools for editing Wikidata, so we can build our UI
based on that knowledge.

The main goal of data items is to solve a significant data problem we have
at the moment -- documentation does not match across languages. Languages
do not agree on statuses (obsolete, in use, approved, ...).  So do usage
rules (onWay, onNode, ...).

So we either have to agree that the mapper's language determines how they
should map, and cause issues in the areas of multilingual mappers, or we
try to fix it the proper way - by having one source of truth that documents
most basic data in a language-agnostic way, and each wiki page reflect that.

Another big benefit of data items is the ability for the 3rd party tools,
such as iD editor, to directly use this data, without the complexities of
(often broken) wiki markup parsing.  In part thanks to the iD showing tag
info from data items, the descriptions have been edited tens of thousands
of times by over 50 users.

Hope this helps, cheers!
-Yuri

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:46 PM Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I’ve been calling the system “wikibase”, but don’t know if this is
> clearer.
>
> I’d avoid saying “OSM data items” because this sounds very similar to “OSM
> database objects”.’
>
> We could say “(OSM) wiki data items”?
>
> Or “Openstreetmap.org wikibase data items”?
>
> But what do we call the whole data system: “the OSM wiki wikibase?”
> “wiki.openstreetmap.org wikibase?”
> “openstreetmap.org wiki data item system?”
>
> Ugh. I can’t think of a 100% clear and unambiguous term to use for data
> items or the whole system.
>
> It’s hard to avoid confusion with the OSM database (nodes/ways) vs the
> wiki data.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:18 AM Tobias Knerr <osm at tobias-knerr.de> wrote:
>
>> On 12.08.19 20:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> > AFAIK the template is not filled from wikidata.org but rather from a
>> wikidata installation on OpenStreetMap-Foundation servers (or for
>> OpenStreetMap but on another server), with information harvested in the osm
>> wiki. It is a parallel system to wikidata.org by wikimedia.(?)
>>
>> Yes. The OSM "data items" use the same software as Wikidata, but it's an
>> entirely separate installation on wiki.openstreetmap.org. Technically,
>> it's just an add-on (extension) for the wiki software.
>>
>> There *is* a Wikidata link on some key and tag pages, but that is simply
>> an outgoing external link which doesn't do anything magical and is
>> unrelated to the above.
>>
>> Tobias
>>
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