[Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose
Simon Poole
simon at poole.ch
Sun Aug 25 15:53:07 UTC 2019
Am 24.08.2019 um 21:03 schrieb Valor Naram:
> > Editors won't (in general) implement tags in presets unless they're
> widely used. Unless editors and carto support tags, they won't get
> widely used, so editors and carto won't support them. Chicken and egg.
>
> Yes, you're right. But I was the author of "changing_table" and the
> guy who lead it throw the proposal process and also Moderator of the
> discussion and votes. And contacting all the editors was no problem
> and they implemented "changing_table" and deleted "diaper" presets.
> See JSOM, OSMand, Vespucci and also iD. My effort shows that working
> together with different groups works.
A) at least I didn't "delete" the diaper preset.
B) you are confusing the decision that something is too silly to argue
about, with agreement.
>
> I would highly appreciate it when you give me a chance. In real life
> people are revelling their secrets to me because they trust me and I
> give them the feeling of being accepted as they are. It includes my
> talks with people from different worlds. More-Than-One-World Secrets.
> This connection I can try to create also among OSM folks (societies).
>
That is seriously OT.
> Best regards
>
> Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose
> From: Paul Allen
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> CC:
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>
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 17:06, Valor Naram <valinora at gmx.net
> <mailto:valinora at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
>
> In my opinion this is a topic we should consider working on
> and creating a wikipage to describe the "defragemtation"
> process in general.
>
>
> Doing so is probably not going to achieve much. First we need to
> defragment OSM itself.
> It doesn't matter what wonderful tags we come up with here, if
> carto refuses to render them
> then they won't get used. It doesn't matter what wonderful tags
> we come up with here, if editors
> don't implement them as presets they won't get used.
>
> Carto won't (in general) render a tag unless it's widely used.
> Editors won't (in general)
> implement tags in presets unless they're widely used. Unless
> editors and carto support
> tags, they won't get widely used, so editors and carto won't
> support them. Chicken and egg.
>
> There are complications (of course). Carto (in general) refuses
> to implement aliases, so
> whatever the merits of deprecating landuse=grass in favour of
> landcover=grass, carto will
> refuse to render landcover=grass. Editors don't (in general) like
> implementing aliases
> either. So however much we wish to try to fix bad tags, which are
> frequently misused
> because the name or value was a bad choice, it probably won't
> happen. Some editors
> occasionally decide they'll ignore the list, the wiki, and carto,
> and go their own way
> (sometimes they get their way and sometimes they get a slap on the
> wrist).
>
> So what we need at this stage is not a defragmentation process but
> joined-up thinking
> between the various groups. I'm not holding my breath on that one.
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
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