[Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Sun Aug 25 15:53:07 UTC 2019


Am 24.08.2019 um 21:03 schrieb Valor Naram:
> > Editors won't (in general) implement tags in presets unless they're
> widely used.  Unless editors and carto support tags, they won't get
> widely used, so editors and carto won't support them.  Chicken and egg.
>
> Yes, you're right. But I was the author of "changing_table" and the
> guy who lead it throw the proposal process and also Moderator of the
> discussion and votes. And contacting all the editors was no problem
> and they implemented "changing_table" and deleted "diaper" presets.
> See JSOM, OSMand, Vespucci and also iD. My effort shows that working
> together with different groups works.

A) at least I didn't "delete" the diaper preset.

B) you are confusing the decision that something is too silly to argue
about, with agreement.

>
> I would highly appreciate it when you give me a chance. In real life
> people are revelling their secrets to me because they trust me and I
> give them the feeling of being accepted as they are. It includes my
> talks with people from different worlds. More-Than-One-World Secrets.
> This connection I can try to create also among OSM folks (societies).
>
That is seriously OT.


> Best regards
>
> Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose
> From: Paul Allen
> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
> CC:
>
>
>
>
>     On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 17:06, Valor Naram <valinora at gmx.net
>     <mailto:valinora at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
>
>         In my opinion this is a topic we should consider working on
>         and creating a wikipage to describe the "defragemtation"
>         process in general.
>
>
>     Doing so is probably not going to achieve much.  First we need to
>     defragment OSM itself.
>     It doesn't matter what wonderful tags we come up with here, if
>     carto refuses to render them
>     then they won't get used.  It doesn't matter what wonderful tags
>     we come up with here, if editors
>     don't implement them as presets they won't get used.
>
>     Carto won't (in general) render a tag unless it's widely used. 
>     Editors won't (in general)
>     implement tags in presets unless they're widely used.  Unless
>     editors and carto support
>     tags, they won't get widely used, so editors and carto won't
>     support them.  Chicken and egg.
>
>     There are complications (of course).  Carto (in general) refuses
>     to implement aliases, so
>     whatever the merits of deprecating landuse=grass in favour of
>     landcover=grass, carto will
>     refuse to render landcover=grass.  Editors don't (in general) like
>     implementing aliases
>     either.  So however much we wish to try to fix bad tags, which are
>     frequently misused
>     because the name or value was a bad choice, it probably won't
>     happen.  Some editors
>     occasionally decide they'll ignore the list, the wiki, and carto,
>     and go their own way
>     (sometimes they get their way and sometimes they get a slap on the
>     wrist).
>
>     So what we need at this stage is not a defragmentation process but
>     joined-up thinking
>     between the various groups.  I'm not holding my breath on that one.
>
>     -- 
>     Paul
>
>
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