[Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations
Warin
61sundowner at gmail.com
Sat Dec 21 21:18:51 UTC 2019
On 21/12/19 21:25, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
> And with existing tags how you describe it?
I don't.
>
> Il sab 21 dic 2019, 10:28 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>
> On 21/12/19 19:49, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
>> Dear Volker,
>>
>> I saw that someone went ahead and changed the wiki again:
>>
>> Use roundtrip=yes to indicate that start and end of a route are
>> at the same location.
>>
>> I think this new definition matches your idea of roundtrip and
>> it's fine for both definitions.
>> My last offer is to abandon the closed_loop tag in favour of:
>>
>> roundtrip:type=linear|circular
>>
>> Do you agree?
>
> No.
>
> "Type" means nothing. Perhaps roundtrip:route=*???
>
> As for the values .. you will need to define them!
>
> 'My' local bus route starts off with ways that are used both
> directions .. and then separates into a loop where the segments
> are only used in one direction.
>
> I could imaging routes that have several loops used in one
> direction and then ways that are used in both directions .. arrr
> there is another route that does that ...
>
> So what values will there be to cover complex cases???
>
>
>> Francesco
>>
>>
>> Il ven 20 dic 2019, 22:45 Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com
>> <mailto:voschix at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>>
>> Please revert the roundtrip wiki change, but let's put any
>> other wiki-changes on halt for a moment.
>> What we need to do is to find out how the roundtrip tag is
>> being used (the wiki is suposed to document the actual use,
>> not what the use should be) and in particular if there is a
>> more-than sporadic use of roundtrip=yes|no for anything else
>> than loop=yes|no.
>> It's difficult to get reliable quantitative results, but:
>> A fast overpass turbo wizard query
>> "type:relation and route=bicycle and roundtrip=yes in
>> Italy|France|England|USA|Bayern"
>> resulted in
>> Italy: 58 lines with at best a handful of them not closed loops
>> France: 358 lines with maybe 10 non-loops
>> England: 25 lines, all loops.
>> USA: 29, about 6 non-loops
>> Bavaria 213, did not find any non-loops
>> For me this is a strong indication that the large majority of
>> all cycle route relations in these countries that have a
>> roundrip=yes are in fact loops and that that this is the
>> de-facto use of the tag.
>> I think this is a strong case against any change.
>>
>> Taginfo points in the same direction
>> 12665 roundtrip=no
>> 21774 roundtrip=yes
>> 42 closed_loop=yes
>> no closed_loop=no
>>
>> Volker
>>
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>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 18:17, Francesco Ansanelli
>> <francians at gmail.com <mailto:francians at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> In my opinion the options are:
>>
>> - deprecate roundtrip in favour of 2 tags with a
>> generally agreed naming convention (best at this point)
>> - keep roundtrip and closed_loop with the wiki definition
>> I did change (relations must be updated accordingly)
>>
>> I read many of you asked a revert, I just want to point
>> out that is not a resolution because tag is currently
>> messed up
>>
>> Il ven 20 dic 2019, 15:08 Steve Doerr
>> <doerr.stephen at gmail.com
>> <mailto:doerr.stephen at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>>
>> On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote:
>>> Merriam Webster and some other resources you have
>>> quoted are dictionary for American English, not the
>>> variant of English used by OSM. Posts by original
>>> author of the topic on the wiki talk page have
>>> explained the meaning of the term in British English.
>>
>> The OED definitions read as follows:
>>
>> Originally U.S.
>> A. n.
>> 1.
>> a. A journey to a place and back again, along
>> the same route; (also) a journey to one or more
>> places and back again which does not cover the
>> same ground twice, a circular tour or trip.
>>
>> b. Baseball. A home run. Cf. round-tripper n. 2.
>>
>> 2. In extended use and figurative, esp. (Mining
>> and Oil Industry) an act of withdrawing and
>> replacing a drill pipe.
>>
>> 3. Stock Market (originally U.S.). The action or
>> an instance of buying and selling the same stock,
>> commodity, etc., often simultaneously. Cf. round
>> turn n. 4.
>>
>> B. adj. (attributive). Chiefly North American.
>>
>> 1. Of or relating to a round trip (in various
>> senses). Cf. return n. Compounds 1.
>>
>> 2. That makes or has made a round trip (literal
>> and figurative).
>>
>> C. adv. Chiefly North American.
>>
>> As a round trip; by travelling to a place and
>> back again.
>>
>> Note the frequent references to 'U.S.' and 'North
>> American'. It's an American phrase, though now widely
>> adopted in the UK.
>>
>> --
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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