[Tagging] motorcycle tagging

Allan Mustard allan at mustard.net
Sun Jan 6 04:41:24 UTC 2019

To be clear, it is not my proposal and I cannot even ride a motorcycle.

The mapper making the wholesale changes, ti-lo/Rtfm,  should submit a
proposal, period, since it appears the issue involves wholesale change of
existing tags, not introduction of new tags.

It may not be a "requirement" but it is the polite or communally proper
thing to do.  If I did it, he can do it.


On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:01 PM Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>

> I have been contacted at least twice by user:ti-lo about changing the
> tagging of several motorcycle shops I've added over the years. He is a bit
> of an evangelist for the new scheme yet has always been polite while asking
> to change my tags. Recently, I checked to see if the tags were documented
> in the Wiki and learned that the "new tagging" scheme aligned with his
> recommendations. I like the scheme and have always said, sure, go ahead
> never thinking that the Wiki had been modified by him (as user:Rtfm) to
> push the scheme he favors.
> I don't think it's good policy to discourage mappers from coming up with a
> new tagging scheme. However, such wholesale changes should be discussed
> fully here and perhaps elsewhere but, as someone else pointed out, trying
> to get anything approved by the tagging list is a long struggle that often
> ends in stalemate. I have often been frustrated by the endless
> deliberations that occur on this list when even a relatively small change
> in tagging has been suggested.
> Consequently, my opinion about what to do is mixed. Certainly, a full
> discussion is warranted before going ahead.
> Best,
> Dave
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:48 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 06/01/19 06:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> >
>> > sent from a phone
>> >
>> >> On 5. Jan 2019, at 08:25, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Not mandatory in OSM ... "Any tags you like".
>> >
>> > you can use any tags you like in your mapping, but that doesn’t imply
>> “changing” tags. It is one thing adding motorcycle:* tags, and another
>> removing “old style” tags.
>> > Or changing the value of a “standard key” from something well known to
>> something “new” (not established) (provided the well known value applies
>> according to common understanding).
>> Thanks for reading the words and not adding to there meaning :)
>> I too do not encourage changing current tags to some other tag. Only with
>> depreciated tags would I encourage there replacement with more current tag
>> use.
>> >
>> > And it doesn’t imply changing the tagging recommendations in the wiki
>> unilaterally. You can do this on your user page, but not in the common
>> space.
>> >
>> > I agree with Allan’s proposition and ask him to set up a proposal.
>> Rather than 'set up a proposal' I would ask the contributor (and that is
>> not Allen) to discuss the matter here.
>> Possible problems are that the contributor does not have good English
>> skills and maybe reactant to enter into that problem area combined with the
>> problem of tagging.
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