[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Sun Jan 13 08:34:30 UTC 2019

On 13/01/19 19:06, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> >Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that 
> would be a good coverall term?)
> I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might as well just 
> stay with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag you're proposing could, 
> with enough thought, be made to work for all types of 
> recreational_vehicles/caravans.
There is a difference.
Caravans attach to a motor vehicle for moment.
Motor homes/campers are self propelled.
> There was a thread just a while ago on this list discussing ti-lo's 
> solo initiative to upgrade motorcycle=shop tagging. It was/is a 
> sensible scheme that integrated the functions of dealer, parts shop 
> and accessories shop by using subtags to make the distinctions. (See 
> the Services section: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle#Services_tags). 
> His scheme was criticized because he didn't discuss it fully enough on 
> this list but aside from that, I liked the idea. The main tag and all 
> subtags except those that already stand on their own, begin with the 
> same keyword, motorcycle, and proceed from there, adding as much 
> detail as desired or known.
> Hence, one might have
> caravan:parts=yes
> caravan:accessories=yes/no
> caravan:sales=yes/no
> caravan:type=type_a/type_b/type_c/fifth_wheel/trailer
type?  caravan:classification=* ? classifications could be local legal 
ones. Other things are descriptions .. and OSM has a tag for that.
> second_hand=yes/only
> caravan:propulsion=trailer/yes/solar_powered (wishful thinking)  [also 
> gas/diesel?]
I say again, caravans are not self propelled - they need to be pulled 
along by something.
Oxford Dictionary: A vehicle equipped for living in, typically towed by 
a car.
Origin Late 15th century (in caravan (sense 2)): from French caravane, 
from Persian kārwān. The sense ‘covered horse-drawn wagon’ dates from 
the early 19th century.
> The caravan:types are well-known to anyone shopping for RVs (in 
> America for sure but Europe or Asia, I dunno) but the tag is optional. 
> Use it for fine-grained tagging, ignore it otherwise.

In the UK smaller 'back' roads are narrow - Toyota Landcrusiers are seen 
as too wide, an American small Winabago is UK huge.
> Dave
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:01 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 13:06, Dave Swarthout
>     <daveswarthout at gmail.com <mailto:daveswarthout at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is also for a shop that
>         sells only caravan parts and accessories but not caravans.
>     No, I've tried to set it up selling (dealer) as well as parts,
>     repair & rental. Any other options you can think of, or better
>     ways to word things?
>         Also, I see you've decided not to be specific about the type
>         or style of caravan sold. I would think caravan:style or
>         caravan:class might be useful to distinguish between type_a,
>         type_c, fifth-wheel, trailer, etc.
>     Couple of people have suggested that & I've asked some questions
>     about "how" but no feedback yet
>     On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:54, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>     <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome /
>         Winnebago / camper trailer etc, but then you get to the
>         problem of what is difference between a camper van, motorhome
>         & Winnebago?
>     motorised=yes / no?
>     propulsion=towed / motorised?
>     Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that
>     would be a good coverall term?)
>         It's also, at least in the US, very common for a dealer
>         to sell one or the other, but not both. 
>     But if we use a separate page, won't you have the same problem
>     that you'll only be able to find one or the other?
>     As I mentioned earlier, if we had
>     caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / camper_trailer
>     would you be able to search for the type you want?
>     So, any thoughts?
>     Thanks
>     Graeme
>     PS How you going using Warin's suggestion to create pages? :-)
> -- 
> Dave Swarthout
> Homer, Alaska
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
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