[Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Jan 24 02:31:05 UTC 2019


I’m in Papua, Indonesia. It’s quite different than Java or Bali.

I’ve tagged some places as “towns” with only 4000 or 5000 inhabitants in
the most sparsely populated parts around here, because they are the only
settlement larger than a few hundred people in an area of 100 x 100 km or
greater, and they have big markets, a variety of shops, a high school
(secondary education) and a few offices.

But even in Alaska or Siberia, I can’t see how a place with 500 inhabitants
could qualify as an OSM town. It might be the capital of an admin_level=4
and that could be a good measure of importance.

I’ve also been reluctant to tag my own town as a “city”. It’s the largest
settlement for 150 to 200km in all directions, by a factor of 4, but only
has 40,000 people, and many services require flying to the capital city of
the province. There are several institutes of higher education, but not a
university, and the airport only offers flights to one other city. But it’s
a borderline case. Probably in 10 years it will clearly qualify
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:09 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24/01/19 12:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>
> “an isolated "village" with only a few hundred people in it, but which is
> the main centre for this area will be a town, & maybe even a city?”
>
> It’s not possible to have “town” level services with less than 1000
> people. A town has a major market (retail area) serving the surrounding
> area, as well as basic educational, cultural and government facilities.
>
>
> In your area of the world I agree. You have a 'good' population density.
> In some places the nearest neighbour can be 400 km away. The population
> 'centre' may have much less than 1,000 people in the local residential area
> .. but may service 1,000s of square kilometres.
> Necessity makes this population centre very important for the few people
> living in that area.
>
>
> Similarly, a city must have more than a few thousand people, if it has a
> hospital, university, transportation hub (port / airport etc), government
> and business offices, and so on.
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:17 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 10:19, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 23. Jan 2019, at 22:35, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > According to the wiki, they're not
>>> > based on services either.
>>>
>>>
>>> if the wiki says it explicitly like this we should fix it.
>>>
>>
>> Just looking & it's a mixture, & also a bit of a mess
>>
>> =city: the largest settlement or settlements within a territory
>>
>> =town: an important urban centre ... normally have a good range of shops
>> and facilities which are used by people from nearby villages.
>>
>> =village: A settlement with between 1,000 and 10,000 inhabitants
>>
>> =hamlet: an isolated settlement, typically with less than 100-200
>> inhabitants
>>
>> =isolated_dwelling: the smallest kind of human settlement. They are
>> outside other settlements ... must not consist of more than 2 households
>>
>> =locality:  an unpopulated location (but the example photo is of an
>> inhabited village!)
>>
>> I would suggest we remove all reference to number of inhabitants, & base
>> the decision on each mappers own recognition of how "important" this place
>> is, so an isolated "village" with only a few hundred people in it, but
>> which is the main centre for this area will be a town, & maybe even a city?
>>
>> I'm happy to have a go at them if we're willing?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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