[Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 117, Issue 89 on the ban of Ulamm by Woodpeck

Ulrich Lamm ulamm.brem at t-online.de
Tue Jun 25 16:02:55 UTC 2019


The relief is no exclusive database information. It can be seen and recorded by visits of the sites.
The same is with the colour of the ground & vegetation.
We must not publish scans of historical maps as our own work, but the informations shown in historical maps are allowed to be used be free hand drawings.

On 2019-06-13, the law that all LGB (Geographic surveyor) data  of the Land of Brandenburg are ODB has definitively been approved by the parliament of the Land of Brandenburg.
This way there are no more legal barriers against an optimal OSM mapping of the courses of water in Brandenburg.

Am 25.06.2019 um 11:53 schrieb tagging-request at openstreetmap.org:

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>   1. Re: My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm (Simon Poole)
>   2. Re: My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm (Christoph Hormann)
>   3. Re: My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm (Florian Lohoff)
>   4. Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply (John Sturdy)
>   5. Re: Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply (John Sturdy)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:55:57 +0200
> From: Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm
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> Besides being off-topic here, 99.9% of the background is missing.
> Perma-bans for contributors in OSM are extremely rare and definitely not
> imposed lightly, just as they are not in this case: see
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ulamm/blocks for just a tiny bit of
> the very long story behind this.
> 
> Am 25.06.2019 um 10:27 schrieb marc marc:
>> Le 25.06.19 ร  10:16, Ulrich Lamm a รฉcrit :
>>> the ban is totally injust.
>> add injust=maybe
>> or
>> find a better place to talk about not-related-to-tags stuff
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:58:42 +0200
> From: Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm
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> On Tuesday 25 June 2019, Ulrich Lamm wrote:
>> Ten hours ago, user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm has banned me for TEN
>> YAERS! For what?
>> For mapping courses of water.
>> Before, he had blocked me or using database data.
>> [...]
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> For competeness of information and for everyone to properly assess this, 
> the block history of user ulamm:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ulamm/blocks
> 
> And the OSMF ban policy describing the procedures regarding such 
> actions:
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> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Ban_Policy
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> -- 
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:18:31 +0200
> From: Florian Lohoff <f at zz.de>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm
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> 
> Hi Ulrich,
> 
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:16:18AM +0200, Ulrich Lamm wrote:
>> This way, my mapping of courses of water including the culvert
>> sections does not violate the principles of OSM.  And the ban is
>> totally injust. 
> 
> It violates the rights of the origin copyright holder. CC-BY-SA and
> others are not compatible with ODbL and thus we CAN NOT and MUST NOT
> take data from other sources which are not explicitly allowed. If we
> would allow this, and republishing data under ODbL (as OSM does with
> planet dumps) Openstreetmap commits a breach of Copyright. Thus it is
> absolutely vital for OSM to prevent people from adding incompatible, non
> ODbL Data to the Database.
> 
> You have been told to not take data from other sources which are not
> ODbL multiple times and you havent stopped.
> 
> Now Frederik (with my full support) stopped this repeated copyright
> violation by blocking/banning you.
> 
> BTW - You signed these obligations with creating an OSM Account
> and opting in the Contributor Terms.
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> Flo
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> Florian Lohoff                                                 f at zz.de
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:33:30 +0100
> From: John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=power_supply
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> For the "socket" key: I suggest putting the current rating onto the
> cee_blue sockets (cee_blue_16a, cee_blue_32a, etc) rather than limiting it
> to one rating; this will also make it consistent with the cee_red_* sockets.
> 
> Also, BS1363 (UK, Ireland, and quite a few other countries --- see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets:_British_and_related_types#International_usage_of_Type_G)
> is missing.
> 
> __John
> 
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 2:45 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 23/06/19 01:39, Michael Brandtner via Tagging wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments so far. I've now written a proposal.
>> 
>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/amenity%3Dpower_supply
>> 
>> The definition (wording can surely be improved):
>> " A place where you can get electrical power."
>> 
>> 
>> This could be applied to an airport that provides USB charging ports at
>> table/desk/chair .
>> 
>> 
>> I've not taken into account your discussion about different socket types.
>> This would be the topic for a different proposal about improving the
>> power_supply= sub-tag. But this proposal is only about establishing the new
>> main tag.
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately the connection will be a vital detail for most. e.g. Some
>> items can be charged from a USB post others cannot.
>> 
>> I would think that there needs to be one tag for the connection 'detail'.
>> It needs to be able to be applied to any tag where the connection detail is
>> to be tagged.
>> 
>> At the moment there are 2 keys for this detail
>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:socket
>> and
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply
>> 
>> These should be combined into one universal sub key that could be applied
>> to any feature.
>> 
>> ----------------------
>> I think most map users will be after a USB power port to charge their
>> phone! So that should be a priority and something that should be mentioned
>> on your proposal as it will then get a lot of attention.
>> I think you will find that the socket type is a vital detail and needs to
>> be addressed.
>> 
>> Minor detail: The order of the 'usefull combination' can be better.
>> Access, fee and socket type should be at the top.
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:52:57 +0100
> From: John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>
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> I've seen such a station powered by solar panels on its roof; I didn't
> investigate whether it has internal batteries for use outside of sunlight
> hours, but it might be worth adding a tag for the power source for cases
> like that.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 8:49 AM bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is what you are looking for, it has been used 160 times:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddevice_charging_station
>> 
>> Although, I'd probably just unify this with amenity=charging_station
>> and always specify the socket type and voltage. You should only
>> navigate to a charging station that has a compatible socket anyway.
>> 
>> I usually mark the available sockets using power_supply=* on cafes and
>> pubs where I can charge my computer or phone without guilt. It can be
>> useful for both mapping parties and drone photography.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 6:59 AM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 22/06/19 11:24, marc marc wrote:
>>>>> waiting areas often have specific locations
>>>>> to charge electronic devices.
>>>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aamenity%3Ddevice_charging_station
>>>> 
>>>>> amenity=charging_station <> amenity=power_supply
>>>> 
>>>> some normal electrical outlets allow cars to be charged
>>>> and some charging terminals use normal outlets.
>>>> 
>>>> I think we're gonna to do it in two proposals:
>>>> - get amenity=power_supply adopted
>>>> - try to harmonize how the type of socket/plug is described.
>>>> socket key is probably the most successful but for charging stations,
>>>> the information is missing if it is a plug or a plug at the end of a
>>>> cable on the terminal side.
>>> 
>>> What is really being tagged here?
>>> 
>>> The socket.
>>> 
>>> So tag "electrical_socket=USB/*"??
>>> That clearly says what it is, not a power generating station or some
>> other thing that could be construed in to a 'power supply'.
>>> 
>>> Add tags access=customers/* fee=no/yes/* and
>>> for the detailed types of mappers voltage=*, frequency=*.
>>> The type of socket will usually determine the maximum current/power so
>> I'd not tag that.
>>> 
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