[Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 117, Issue 90, topic 1 & 4: Ban of Ulamm by Woodpeck

Ulrich Lamm ulamm.brem at t-online.de
Tue Jun 25 16:34:00 UTC 2019

>   1. Re: My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm (Mateusz Konieczny)
>   4. Re: My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm (Frederik Ramm)
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:53:35 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
> Cc: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm
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> 25 Jun 2019, 11:18 by f at zz.de:
>> Hi Ulrich,
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:16:18AM +0200, Ulrich Lamm wrote:
>>> This way, my mapping of courses of water including the culvert
>>> sections does not violate the principles of OSM.  And the ban is
>>> totally injust.
>> It violates the rights of the origin copyright holder. 
The relief is no exclusive database information. It can be seen and recorded by visits of the sites.
The same is with the colour of the ground & vegetation.
We must not publish scans of historical maps as our own work, that could violate copyright.
But if we use the informations shown in historical maps for free hand drawings, we do not violate the copyright for maps. 

> It violates also our right to have a database free from copyright violations.
On 2019-06-13, the law that all LGB (Geographic surveyor) data  of the Land of Brandenburg are ODB has definitively been approved by the parliament of the Land of Brandenburg.
This way there are no more legal barriers against an optimal OSM mapping of the courses of water in Brandenburg.

> Also, complaining about your ban is completely offtopic on this mailing list.
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:19:37 +0200
> From: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm
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> Hello Ulrich,
> this is offtopic here but I'd like to say something anyway since you
> started the discussion here.
> Your are blocked from editing until we can trust you to respect our
> rules. This is a process that has to happen in your head. I would have
> hoped that you understood the issue but time and time again you have
> demonstrated that you did not.
> You cannot continue to use one inadmissible source and then when you're
> told this is wrong, use a different inadmissible source and so on ad
> infinitum. This is not a contest of who finds a loophole. Use your own
> knowledge, or use public domain (or suitably licensed) sources; and
> always add a source tag that lets people verify your source. All these
> relations you're adding about complex waterway systems and their names -
> these can impossibly all be your knowledge so you're copying them from
> somewhere and if you don't say where from then we must assume it's an
> inadmissible source.
> Since all your mapping is in Germany, please go to the German mailing
> list or German forum to discuss what exactly you are doing with your
> waterway mapping and what your data sources and processes are, and then
> if we find a way forward that will not lead to lots of complaints to DWG
> about your work, we can lift the ban on your account and let you
> continue. But simply letting you continue after a couple days, like we
> did in the past, has sadly not helped.
> Bye
> Frederik
The DWG ought to accept that today any informations are available also in databases.
The distinction has to be, which informations are available exclusively in databases and which are available in databases and by local research as well.

And on geographic data of Brandenburg and some other Lands, which have given them opendata status, the DWG must not insist on legal barriers that have fallen.   

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