[Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

Paul Allen pla16021 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 14 23:04:46 UTC 2019


On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 22:34, marc marc <marc_marc_irc at hotmail.com> wrote:

> a route_master isn't a superroute, isn't it ?
> it's a collection off all variant of a "single" route
>   and not several part of one route like superroute for E-network
>

That's how I understand it.  But I may be wrong.

>
> route_master are well documented/used for bus route
> but if someone want to convert a single type=route into a superroute (so
> a type=route having relation as member), imho it's better to make a
> propal with a good doc to allow app to add this case.
>

Erm, why?  The documentation for superroute, such as it is, says that one
reason is to map
things like the E-network and the other reason is to avoid a route with
more than 300 elements.
Obviously, if you had a route with 301 elements you would be entitled to
divide it and end up
with two subroutes of around 150 elements.  Or a subroute with 295 elements
and a
subroute with 6elements if that led to a more "natural" division.  But that
300 isn't a hard number,
as I understand it, and it would be OK to split for 290, or 280.

I'd just like to use it on a route with even fewer elements and I don't see
anything in the
documentation to say I can't.  If routers can handle a superroute for the
E-network they can
handle it for smaller routes.


> if not, currently valid route 'll become unusable in all app.
> so sure that's the best/most need thing todo with PT version :(
>

Again, if superroutes don't work with some apps the E-network has problems
and we either
have to abolish superroutes completely or fix broken apps or live with the
fact that some apps
are broken.

Since the route I'm talking about doesn't connect two transport nexuses,
broken routeing isn't
as big an issue for me as for the E-network.  Much more important is that
any tourist or visitor
(or even locals who rarely use the bus and haven't used this one since it
came into service a few
months ago) wanting to use the bus can figure out where it goes.  That
isn't easy.  Not even
if you have the timetable
https://www.richardsbros.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/408-sept-2018.pdf
and know the local geography well.

At the risk of people getting deja vu all over again (thanks, Yogi Berra) I
invite you to try to figure
out this bus route:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8592409#map=14/52.0860/-4.6644
You'd have to either open it in an editor (if you're a registered user) or
work your way down the
ways listed in the relation, opening each in a new tab or window (or you
could just click on it
and then use the browser's back button but that's slower).

-- 
Paul
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