[Tagging] Handicap Parking Access Aisles

[Tony Shield]

Hi

[AA] is a Mapillary picture of a typical UK disabled parking bay, the 
hatched area is a what I think you are calling an 'access aisle'.  Those 
particular disabled parking bays are legally designated and enforced.

I see that tags amenity 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=parking_space and 
parking_space 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parking_space&action=edit&redlink=1>=disabled 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:parking_space%3Ddisabled&action=edit&redlink=1> 


are not described in the wiki but to my mind an entry for parking_space 
= disabled should meet the local space and marking scheme so in the UK a 
parking_space=disabled would without further definition include an 
egress space. If there is a wish to specifically mark those hatched 
areas then I suggest the use of the word 'egress' .

[AA] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/5PAU747rlUdNrCaDtUNDuA

Regards

TonyS999

On 02/05/2019 10:54, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> I would consider what is here described as access aisle (according to 
> the photo [1]) part of the parking space. Here in Italy any parking 
> space for the disabled has a dedicated "access aisle" similar to the 
> photo.
> If you want to achieve disabled (wheelchair) routing I would assume it 
> to be sufficient to map the disabled parking spaces within the car park.
>
> [1] https://mycloud.snowandsnow.us/index.php/s/F2mAATCQ54SzfcT
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 11:31, Tony Shield <tony.shield999 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tony.shield999 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Having today downloaded and read SN01360 [2] |I disagree with the
>     interpretation. In that document there is only one mention of
>     'aisle' it being an 'access aisle' in Section 5.4 paragraph marked
>     Off-Street Parking  -" *Off-street parking*: bays should be a
>     minimum of 4800 mm long
>     by 2400 mm wide with additional space: (1) where bays are
>     parallel to the access aisle and access is available from the side an
>     extra length of at least 180 0mm, or (2) where bays are
>     perpendicular to the access aisle, an additional width of at least
>     1200 mm along each side.
>
>     I read that as saying the 'access aisle' is that which in OSM is
>     marked as 'parking _aisle', and it leads to a parking bay
>     designated for disabled users, the 'access aisle' is not
>     exclusively for the use of disabled users. I am of the opinion
>     that 'access' is misinterpreted to refer only to disabled users
>     which is a very restrictive interpretation of the usual
>     interpretation of access being for anybody. I think it is
>     something to be very careful about.
>     Usage in the UK supports my interpretation - I know of many car
>     parks where ordinary and disabled spaces are next to each other
>     and accessed by a single way which has no restrictions.
>
>     For parking bays I think that the tag:amenity=parking _space is clear.
>
>     Regards
>     TonyS999
>
>     On 02/05/2019 08:21, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Clifford,
>>
>>     On 02/05/19 00:13, Clifford Snow wrote:
>>>     Since the off loading area is called an access aisle, both in
>>>     the US and UK [2], it seem to me that it would be an appropriate
>>>     term to use.  Would using highway=footway +
>>>     footway=access_aisle +  wheelchair=yes be a more acceptable
>>>     tagging scheme? My concern is that just adding wheelchair=yes to
>>>     a footway doesn't get at the requirement for the width of the
>>>     access_aisle.
>>>
>>>
>>>     [1]
>>>     https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking
>>>     [2]
>>>     https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01360/SN01360.pdf
>>
>>     I'm really supporting your proposal for a highway=footway +
>>     footway=access_aisle.
>>
>>     I would match this with a wheelchair=designated instead of a
>>     wheelchair=yes, as suggested by Mateusz Konieczny.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Ale
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Tagging mailing list
>>     Tagging at openstreetmap.org  <mailto:Tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
>     _______________________________________________
>     Tagging mailing list
>     Tagging at openstreetmap.org <mailto:Tagging at openstreetmap.org>
>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tagging mailing list
> Tagging at openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20190502/5adbab2a/attachment-0001.html>