[Tagging] Handicap Parking Access Aisles

Thu May 2 12:24:17 UTC 2019

Hi,

from what I understood, "access aisle" is an official term only in the 
US, as described in the ADA standards 
(https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking), 
but it describes clearly (as least for a non native English speaker like 
me) what is it.

For mapping accessibility paths for disabled persons, I think it is 
quite important to have this information, so that its presence and 
accessibility from e.g. the sidewalk, is well represented (with e.g. 
tags describing kerbs). This picture [0] to me describes well the reason 
this can be really useful.

To only have amenity=parking_space mapped wouldn't help in describing 
and understanding the accessibility of the parking place from the 
footpaths/sidewalks.

I'm not sure about the use of the egress areas, that seem to be less 
related to access paths for disabled persons, and more related to areas 
not usable by other cars...

Ale

[0] 
https://www.access-board.gov/images/guidelines_standards/Buildings_Sites/guides/chapter5/5p15a.JPG

On 02/05/19 12:36, Tony Shield wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> [AA] is a Mapillary picture of a typical UK disabled parking bay, the 
> hatched area is a what I think you are calling an 'access aisle'.  
> Those particular disabled parking bays are legally designated and 
> enforced.
>
> I see that tags amenity 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=parking_space and 
> parking_space 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:parking_space&action=edit&redlink=1>=disabled 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:parking_space%3Ddisabled&action=edit&redlink=1> 
>
>
> are not described in the wiki but to my mind an entry for 
> parking_space = disabled should meet the local space and marking 
> scheme so in the UK a parking_space=disabled would without further 
> definition include an egress space. If there is a wish to specifically 
> mark those hatched areas then I suggest the use of the word 'egress' .
>
> [AA] https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/5PAU747rlUdNrCaDtUNDuA
>
> Regards
>
> TonyS999
>
> On 02/05/2019 10:54, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>> I would consider what is here described as access aisle (according to 
>> the photo [1]) part of the parking space. Here in Italy any parking 
>> space for the disabled has a dedicated "access aisle" similar to the 
>> photo.
>> If you want to achieve disabled (wheelchair) routing I would assume 
>> it to be sufficient to map the disabled parking spaces within the car 
>> park.
>>
>> [1] https://mycloud.snowandsnow.us/index.php/s/F2mAATCQ54SzfcT
>>
>> On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 11:31, Tony Shield <tony.shield999 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:tony.shield999 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Having today downloaded and read SN01360 [2] |I disagree with the
>>     interpretation. In that document there is only one mention of
>>     'aisle' it being an 'access aisle' in Section 5.4 paragraph
>>     marked Off-Street Parking  -" *Off-street parking*: bays should
>>     be a minimum of 4800 mm long
>>     by 2400 mm wide with additional space: (1) where bays are
>>     parallel to the access aisle and access is available from the side an
>>     extra length of at least 180 0mm, or (2) where bays are
>>     perpendicular to the access aisle, an additional width of at least
>>     1200 mm along each side.
>>
>>     I read that as saying the 'access aisle' is that which in OSM is
>>     marked as 'parking _aisle', and it leads to a parking bay
>>     designated for disabled users, the 'access aisle' is not
>>     exclusively for the use of disabled users. I am of the opinion
>>     that 'access' is misinterpreted to refer only to disabled users
>>     which is a very restrictive interpretation of the usual
>>     interpretation of access being for anybody. I think it is
>>     something to be very careful about.
>>     Usage in the UK supports my interpretation - I know of many car
>>     parks where ordinary and disabled spaces are next to each other
>>     and accessed by a single way which has no restrictions.
>>
>>     For parking bays I think that the tag:amenity=parking _space is
>>     clear.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     TonyS999
>>
>>     On 02/05/2019 08:21, Alessandro Sarretta wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Clifford,
>>>
>>>     On 02/05/19 00:13, Clifford Snow wrote:
>>>>     Since the off loading area is called an access aisle, both in
>>>>     the US and UK [2], it seem to me that it would be an
>>>>     appropriate term to use.  Would using highway=footway +
>>>>     footway=access_aisle +  wheelchair=yes be a more acceptable
>>>>     tagging scheme? My concern is that just adding wheelchair=yes
>>>>     to a footway doesn't get at the requirement for the width of
>>>>     the access_aisle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     [1]
>>>>     https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/guide-to-the-ada-standards/chapter-5-parking
>>>>     [2]
>>>>     https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01360/SN01360.pdf
>>>
>>>     I'm really supporting your proposal for a highway=footway +
>>>     footway=access_aisle.
>>>
>>>     I would match this with a wheelchair=designated instead of a
>>>     wheelchair=yes, as suggested by Mateusz Konieczny.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Ale
>>>
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