[Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

Wed Oct 9 01:24:21 UTC 2019

After reading all the responses and comments made regarding this issue I would like to modify the originally proposed tag name ('addr=milestone’) to a new proposal to name it:  ‘addr=road_marker’ - which works for both the kilometer and mile highway location markers.

The next step will be to propose the change of the existent 'highway:milestone’ to a more ‘universal’ and comprehensive name - 'highway=road_marker’  this way completing the relation between the address and the actual marker on the road and is understandable for all, while not making any reference to the measuring units - which in most parts of the world is actually the kilometer - as can be seen on the image on this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#/media/File:Metric_system_adoption_map.svg

Regards,

Jorge

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> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:54:35 -0300
> From: Agustin Rissoli <aguztinqui at gmail.com>
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> I think we can add a clarification, which says that these directions are
> not exact, but usually based on the approximate position with respect to a
> milestone on the road.
> 
> Agustín
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> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 19:25:29 +0100
> From: Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>
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> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 18:59, Agustin Rissoli <aguztinqui at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> 
>>>> Perfect! That is exactly what happens in real life when someone is
>> seeking an address based on location markers once the precision of the
>> distance used in addresses is low.
>> 
>> This description should be in the eventual wiki
>> 
> 
> You think?  That's a description of how somebody navigates to an address
> like that
> without a map.  Keep an eye on the odometer.  Look for "milestones."  If
> you see
> a "milestone" numbered higher than in the address, you've gone too far.
> But it's
> not how you navigate if you have a map.  Especially if the map display is
> capable
> of using GPS to show your current position.
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> From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
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> Re: “On standard [OpenStreetMap-]carto (and probably most others)
> highway=milestone doesn't render.”
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> There is an open issue and some rendering ideas from a year back:
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> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3605
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> If anyone wants to help get historic=milestone rendered, they can help
> design a good rendering or submit a PR on github: it’s an all-volunteer,
> open-source project.
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> -Joseph
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> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 9:55 PM Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 13:26, santamariense <imagens.sm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> 
>>>> that you should not use the term "milestone" but something like
>>>> addr:distance or
>>>> addr:road_marker  or whatever, because there are no milestones
>>> 
>>> addr:road_marker seems to be appropriate
>> 
>> 
>> Or something with similar meaning.  Places that use this addressing system
>> presumably
>> have some name for that part of an address.  So that if you tell somebody
>> what road your house
>> is on and they want to know more precisely, they ask you what your X is.
>> I doubt they ask you
>> what your milestone is.  Same for forms where there are boxes for road,
>> town, county (maybe)
>> post/zip code (maybe), there is presumably a box labelled X, and I doubt
>> that label is
>> "milestone."
>> 
>> Also of consideration is that if somebody uses the query tool of standard
>> carto to get
>> the address of a house, will addr:milestone make any sense to them or will
>> it just
>> confuse them?
>> 
>> I did some more digging (which the original poster should have done, if
>> not at first then at
>> least after several people suggested "milestone" was inappropriate).  What
>> OSM calls
>> highway=milestone is a "highway location marker."  Which is used in
>> addresses as a
>> "linear referencing system."  So addr:highway_location or
>> addr:linear_reference or
>> addr:road_marker or something similar based upon what people who live in
>> areas with that
>> kind of address call that part of the address.
>> 
>> but highway=milestone, even
>>> misleading its name can be, is already in use and I think it would be
>>> better to keep a relation between their names.
>>> 
>> 
>> On standard carto (and probably most others) highway=milestone doesn't
>> render.  And those
>> milestones-that-aren't-really-milestones are probably only rarely mapped,
>> whereas
>> addresses frequently are mapped.  In any  case, as people have pointed
>> out, the highway
>> location markers either side of the address may not be present.  So the
>> only reason for keeping
>> a relation between the names is if we're going to map every marker and use
>> an OSM relation to
>> bind addresses to markers (which will still fail if there's no marker
>> present).
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> From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
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> Am Mi., 2. Okt. 2019 um 22:55 Uhr schrieb Agustin Rissoli <
> aguztinqui at gmail.com>:
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>> I think we can add a clarification, which says that these directions are
>> not exact, but usually based on the approximate position with respect to a
>> milestone on the road.
>> 
> 
> 
> Actually I have 2 different cases in my area:
> 1. approximate positions that aren't signposted (but you can get them for
> example on the website of the feature, from business registers or from the
> address on the receipt when you buy something), they go like "Motorway A23
> X - Y km 35.700"
> 2. Indications of exact meters, like 3455, which may or may not be accurate
> with respect to official road markers / milestones, but are kind of an
> "agreed upon" address, and people post them as if they were regular
> (consecutive) housenumbers (they might also be official housenumbers, I am
> not sure about this, and it may depend on the municipality).
> 
> Example for the second case:
> https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1655384,12.3482096,3a,16.1y,57.78h,85.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSFb1ZNg34WWYGflbjVgFNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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> Examples for the first case:
> https://www.myautogrill.it/it/portal/myautogrill_list
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> Cheers,
> Martin
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