[Tagging] Tagging and rendering places without a name

[Warin]

On 21/4/20 5:31 am, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
> Hi Hidde, welcome,
>
> The wiki definition is « Used to indicate that a particular location 
> is known by a particular name, to indicate what sort of "place" it is. 
> A place tag should exist for every significant human settlements 
> (city, town, suburb, etc.) and also for notable unpopulated, named 
> places. »
>
> So place is used to precise that :
> 1. there is place at this position or on this area
> 2. it has a name
> 3. to define what kind of place
>
> So by the definition I see no issue of having place without a name 
> tag, as long as it has a name :)
Errr If it has a name, tag it. If you don't know its name then how do 
you know it is a place?
>
> This is different than landuse for instance :
> A farm has the landuse farmyard, and may have other landuse like 
> greenhouse_horticulture, plant_nursery, orchard, meadow, ...
> A barn alone or with some other building in the middle of a meadow can 
> has landuse=farmyard but it’s not a farm, it could has a 
> place=locality if it has a name.


If a building has a name then use the name tag on the building, do not 
add a tag place=* to it!

>
>
>
> Le sam. 18 avr. 2020 à 22:23, Hidde Wieringa <hidde at hiddewieringa.nl 
> <mailto:hidde at hiddewieringa.nl>> a écrit :
>
>     Hello,
>
>     This is the first time posting to this mailing list. In case this
>     is the wrong place to post my question, feel free to point me to
>     the correct mailing list/forum.
>
>     I opened an issue in the OSM carto Github repository
>     (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115)
>     with the question if places tagged with place=* but without a name
>     could be rendered. The follow-up pull request
>     https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4120
>     proposes a rendering for unnamed places.
>
>     A discussion erupted, about the conceptual consequences of
>     rendering a place without a name. This goes against the wiki
>     (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place) where the tag
>     name=* is marked as required. The first line in the wiki is /"Used
>     to indicate that a particular location is known by a particular
>     name, to indicate what sort of "place" it is. [...]"/. However
>     indicating what sort of place it is, does not require a name.
>     Indicating that a place of some sort exists at a certain location
>     is also valuable data (a quick count of Nigeria gives ~9800 nodes
>     of places without a name versus ~69000 nodes of places with a name).
>
>     I wish to question the assumption that every place always has or
>     requires a name. The comment of 'sommerluk' on the Github issue
>     (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4115#issuecomment-612847759)
>     indicates that there may indeed be small populated places without
>     a name, although larger populated places always have a name in
>     practice.
>
>     Also, regions of the world where on-the-ground mapping is not
>     popular will mostly be mapped by remote mappers. Because of that,
>     mapped places will usually not get a name (yet), because mappers
>     are not locally familiar with the place. The data is still useful
>     for humanitarian aid (for example see
>     https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL&text=nigeria
>     for the many projects in the HOT tasking manager for improving
>     data in Nigeria, in particular missing residential areas).
>     Rendering these places in a visual way makes using the data
>     easier. Later, the unnamed places could still be given a name by a
>     mapper with that knowledge.
>
>     The tough question is when some place is considered a 'place' and
>     may be mapped when the name is unknown.
>
>     I am curious about further reactions on this topic.
>
>     Kind regards,
>     /Hidde Wieringa/
>
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