[Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

Alan Mackie aamackie at gmail.com
Tue Aug 4 14:35:29 UTC 2020


On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, 14:19 , <muralito at montevideo.com.uy> wrote:

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> > De: "Christoph Hormann" <osm at imagico.de>
> > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <
> tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 9:14:32
> > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war
>
> > Almost all of the arguments you bring up here are cultural or political
> > in nature.  Discussing those will lead us nowhere.  Hence my suggestion
> > to you in the other mail to consider this exclusively from the physical
> > geographic perspective.
> >
> > The only point i could identify in your writing that is not
> > cultural/political in nature is the claim that the Rio de la Plata was
> > first mapped 6 years ago when the riverbank polygon was created.  That
> > is not true.  The Rio de la Plata was mapped long before - first
> > significant parts started in 2011 already, by end 2012 the mapping was
> > complete:
> >
> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WK9
> >
> > and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034
> >
> > After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline
> > closure again - all of which however were soon reverted.
> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi
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> > Christoph Hormann
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> I linked several scientific studies that clearly shows and are verifiable
> geographic evidence that this is not an oceanic coast, its a riverbank and
> should not be tagged as coastline. Not cultural, not politics. I just
> linked the treaties to show that there are no political motivations in my
> thinking, because the political issues were already solved many years ago.
> Anyway, most limits, including natural ones are political facts, agreement
> between nations, also including defacto limits because war is also politics.
> It's only physical geographic perspective, its a riverbank, not an ocean,
> its inner fresh water.
>
> You are mixing things. The coastline is not the river. The waterway=river
> for Rio de la Plata was not mapped until i mapped it in
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19137685 in November 2013. That
> is 6 years, and will be 7 years in 3 months. Modify your query to search
> for waterway=river and you will see.
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi . And no mapping is ever complete, at
> less here where e.g. new sediment islands keeps appearing, old islands
> increase it size, and nearby islands joins toghether.
>
> I changed the tagging because it was and it is wrong to tag this as
> coastline, it's a riverbank, as i have been saying for years. The coastline
> should be in the line because to the west there are inner waters and to the
> east the ocean.
>
> Regards,
> M.
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There seems to be confusion here between mapping a feature and having it
named. I suspect too much weight is being given to names generally in this
discussion even if this is not explicitly stated. Something OSM considers a
bay may be called a cove in the name, named tidal "creeks" are mapped as
tidal_channel etc. The name can't be the final arbiter of tagging else in
the extreme case we would be rendering Rio de Janeiro in blue along with a
whole chain of coffeeshops.

In this case it is the physical feature that is in question not the extent
of the area that holds that name. The name can easily be tagged separately
on the agreed political boundary.

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