[Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

muralito at montevideo.com.uy muralito at montevideo.com.uy
Tue Aug 4 15:09:31 UTC 2020



----- Mensaje original -----
> De: "Alan Mackie" <aamackie at gmail.com>
> Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 11:35:29
> Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

> On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, 14:19 , < muralito at montevideo.com.uy > wrote:

>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>> > De: "Christoph Hormann" < osm at imagico.de >
>> > Para: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" < tagging at openstreetmap.org >
>> > Enviados: Martes, 4 de Agosto 2020 9:14:32
>> > Asunto: Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

>> > Almost all of the arguments you bring up here are cultural or political
>> > in nature. Discussing those will lead us nowhere. Hence my suggestion
>> > to you in the other mail to consider this exclusively from the physical
>> > geographic perspective.

>> > The only point i could identify in your writing that is not
>> > cultural/political in nature is the claim that the Rio de la Plata was
>> > first mapped 6 years ago when the riverbank polygon was created. That
>> > is not true. The Rio de la Plata was mapped long before - first
>> > significant parts started in 2011 already, by end 2012 the mapping was
>> > complete:

>> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WK9

>> > and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in:

>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034

>> > After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline
>> > closure again - all of which however were soon reverted.
>> > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi
>> > --
>> > Christoph Hormann
>> > http://www.imagico.de/

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>> I linked several scientific studies that clearly shows and are verifiable
>> geographic evidence that this is not an oceanic coast, its a riverbank and
>> should not be tagged as coastline. Not cultural, not politics. I just linked
>> the treaties to show that there are no political motivations in my thinking,
>> because the political issues were already solved many years ago. Anyway, most
>> limits, including natural ones are political facts, agreement between nations,
>> also including defacto limits because war is also politics.
>> It's only physical geographic perspective, its a riverbank, not an ocean, its
>> inner fresh water.

>> You are mixing things. The coastline is not the river. The waterway=river for
>> Rio de la Plata was not mapped until i mapped it in
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19137685 in November 2013. That is 6
>> years, and will be 7 years in 3 months. Modify your query to search for
>> waterway=river and you will see.
>> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WKi . And no mapping is ever complete, at less here
>> where e.g. new sediment islands keeps appearing, old islands increase it size,
>> and nearby islands joins toghether.

>> I changed the tagging because it was and it is wrong to tag this as coastline,
>> it's a riverbank, as i have been saying for years. The coastline should be in
>> the line because to the west there are inner waters and to the east the ocean.

>> Regards,
>> M.

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> There seems to be confusion here between mapping a feature and having it named.
> I suspect too much weight is being given to names generally in this discussion
> even if this is not explicitly stated. Something OSM considers a bay may be
> called a cove in the name, named tidal "creeks" are mapped as tidal_channel
> etc. The name can't be the final arbiter of tagging else in the extreme case we
> would be rendering Rio de Janeiro in blue along with a whole chain of
> coffeeshops.

> In this case it is the physical feature that is in question not the extent of
> the area that holds that name. The name can easily be tagged separately on the
> agreed political boundary.


In this case I think the problem is that some mappers wants a riverbank to be tagged as natural=coastline just for the render at lower zooms, but fail to recognize that fact. The fact is that is it is a river, very large river.

But the coastline problem is much larger than this case, like Elbe River.

Regards,
M.



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