[Tagging] Route names: [Was: Use of the name=* on features internal to named areas]

[Kevin Kenny]

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com> wrote:

> On 12/31/2020 2:02 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>
> I'll concede that including the blaze colour on Oliverea-Mapledale Trail
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280416600 is poor practice, and I'll
> fix it in a day or two once people have looked at it as an illustration of
> what Peter is complaining about. It's not part of the name.  In that case,
> however, Oliverea and Mapledale - the two endpoints - are indeed part of
> the proper name. That convention does give rise to some awkward names -
> 'Giant Ledge - Panther - Fox Hollow Trail' (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/20198486) surely doesn't trip off the
> tongue, but that's what the signs and maps say.
>
> That's certainly what the maps say, but I've found precious few trail
> signs in the Catskills that actually mention the trails' names. The vast
> majority that I've come across simply list destinations and distances with
> an example of the colored disc used for blazing. Though indeed, often the
> trail names and destinations are indistinguishable ... "Oliverea -
> Mapledale" and "Giant Ledge - Panther Mountain - Fox Hollow" are both just
> northbound itineraries repurposed as names, but at this point they are the
> official names.
>
> If there's a posted map, I'm happy enough to take trail names from that
> and call them verifiable. And of course the DEC's online maps (in this case
> https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_forests_pdf/recmapbiwa.pdf ) are a good
> last resort. These always add the blaze color as part of the printed name,
> and that style was carried over in a lot of the early trail mapping on OSM.
>
> Obviously I missed one, but I too have been trying to move the trail
> colors out of the names and into the tags. The general state of trail
> tagging in the Catskills is somewhere between inconsistent and abysmal, and
> it would be great to arrive at a style guide for these.
>

No complaints, Jason, there are only so many hours in the day. I know that
I had my mouse on that trail at some point, too, and didn't fix it.
Slovenly of me.

Lots of trail names outside the Catskils are itineraries too. A handful of
trails in Harriman (Lichen, Hurst, Major Welch, 1779, ...) have proper
names, but most are either symbols (Red Cross, White Bar, Blue Disc,
Triangle, ...) or itineraries (Ramapo-Dunderberg, Suffern-Bear Mountain,
Tuxedo-Mt Ivy, Tmp-Torne, Hillburn-Torne-Sebago, Arden-Surebridge, ...)
Just as so many of the streets around here are named for the town at the
other end. (Balltown Road, Troy Road, Albany Street , Mariaville Road are
ones that come immediately to mind in Schenectady County)

In the Adirondacks, some of the official names are just the location of the
sign and what it says. "Elk Lake Trail To Marcy", "Mt Van Hoevenberg Trail
To Marcy"

And yeah, you're right about the signage.  The only sign I've seen for the
Warner Creek Trail, for instance, is about a quarter-mile west of the
summit of Plateau Mountain, blue and aqua disks, and the lettering 'Mt
Tremper Fire Tower 10.4 Mi." Not even the usual brown-and-gold 'Trail To
--- Follow Markers'.



-- 
73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
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