[Tagging] hiking and foot route relations - is there any consistent difference?

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Sun Jan 12 02:08:04 UTC 2020

Most locals on the Kokoda Trail have no footware, that goes better in 
mud and river crossings.

All tourists ware footwear and think/know that this is a hiking route. 
To give an idea of 'hardness' there is one part where most are on hands 
and knees.


On 12/1/20 10:54 am, brad wrote:
> Great story Kevin.   I hope they learned something from their 
> experience.   +1 on the boots,   things change, back in the old days 
> when I could still  backpack it was pretty much a given that you 
> should have sturdy boots.   Now most of the long distance hikers, like 
> you, have gotten wiser and are wearing lighter footwear.
> This seems all too typical for OSM.    Redundant tags, and over 
> specify things.
> Brad
> On 1/11/20 9:08 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 10:03 AM Joseph Eisenberg
>> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To clarify, I don't see any problem with the existence of multiple
>>> tags with similar meanings.
>>> But I plan to edit the wiki page to describe how they are actually
>>> used, mentioning that there is a wide amoun of overlap in meaning.
>> No problem there! In a 'folksonomy', that's going to happen, and as
>> someone observed, 'status quo wins.'
>> I can recall an encounter that my daughter had on Windham High Peak,
>> arguably  the easiest of the Catskill 3500 listed summits (and please
>> don't start arguing that Bearpen, Slide, or Hunter is easier, that's
>> not the point!) with a father and son who were visiting from a part of
>> New Jersey that's both flat and urban.
>> Them: "Wow, the guidebook is horrible! It said this is an easy
>> three-mile hike from Route 23!"
>> Her: "Well, yeah, (looks at phone), GPS says 3.1."
>> Them: "That's _easy?_"
>> Her: (thinking for a moment): "No scrambling, no broken rock to cross,
>> no streams you can't just step over, no dense brush, no deep mud, no
>> beaver activitty... what's the problem?"
>> Them: (groaning), "I don't want to see a _hard_ trail around here!
>> That was straight up hill all the way!"
>> Her: "Uhm, well, it _is_ a mountain."
>> With subjective assessments that disparate, there are always going to
>> be variability and outliers in the tagging.
>> The whole discussion of boots is pretty odd. I'm thoroughly a
>> Westerner, and I do multi-day backpacking trips in terrain like
>> http://image.newyorkupstate.com/home/nyup-media/width2048/img/catskills/photo/2016/05/03/20267771-standard.jpg 
>> wearing trail-running shoes. The boots come out only when the snow
>> does.
>> The 'vigour' key is probably a bad one, because it's purely
>> subjective. SAC and YDS scale, among others, are also pretty bad
>> because almost all 'hiking' routes are at the lowest grade on them,
>> and because you really have to be a specialist to grade a route.
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